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Old 02-17-2013, 07:25 PM
 
Location: Norfolk, VA
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Right.
So it seems like the "reason" to build it was : The jobs created during its construction, since "someone else is paying for it."
What a great iconic example of what NOT to do.
It was also around a time where Detroit could still raise several million to spend on an experimental project. Money might be a bit tighter now, but there are still 700,000 people in the city and even more in the Metro, so who knows what the future holds.
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Location: Long Island / NYC
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I was under the impression that Boston had both light rail and subway. I was wondering if anyone actually used the Cleveland system or not.
It has both. Boston's light rail has slightly more miles than Cleveland's (22 vs 18) but 15-20 times more riders. It may be slower, but a lot more people find it worthwhile to use. Area is more congested, so it passes through more people.
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Old 02-17-2013, 07:27 PM
 
Location: Hong Kong
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The only thing light rail has going for it is, that people like trains. They don't like busses.
I like buses - provided they are frequent and convenient.
I especially like "handy" buses like this:



BTW, you have to take into consideration the "time waiting for a bus" as part of the transit time
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Old 02-17-2013, 07:29 PM
 
Location: Hong Kong
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It was also around a time where Detroit could still raise several million to spend on an experimental project. Money might be a bit tighter now, but there are still 700,000 people in the city and even more in the Metro, so who knows what the future holds.
They need to get away from that old business plan:
"Let's see how much money we can get from the Feds",
and instead pull themselves up by their bootstraps

I was born in Detroit, and my parents still live in a suburb of the city, and I would be thrilled to see it make a comeback
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Old 02-17-2013, 07:35 PM
 
Location: Norfolk, VA
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They need to get away from that old business plan:
"Let's see how much money we can get from the Feds",
and instead pull themselves up by their bootstraps

I was born in Detroit, and my parents still live in a suburb of the city, and I would be thrilled to see it make a comeback
We're talking about liberal, union ran, economically segregated, racially segregated town. Don't lose any sleep here over the ramifications of the obvious.

Although I do think that Detroit has the possibility to be a leader and show the rest of the region you don't have to be a Chicago, Columbus, or Indianapolis to be creative, forward thinking, and innovative.
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Old 02-17-2013, 07:37 PM
 
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Houston's light rail does well. Houston's light rail has the 2nd highest ridership per mile of any light rail in the country:

List of United States light rail systems by ridership - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Of course, it's a short thing covered areas adjacent to downtown so not that surprising but still not bad for what was constructed.
Thanks for the link.

What is interesting is the light rail in Minneapolis ranks 15th in daily riders but is 4th in riders per mile .
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Old 02-17-2013, 07:43 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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They need to get away from that old business plan:
"Let's see how much money we can get from the Feds",
and instead pull themselves up by their bootstraps

I was born in Detroit, and my parents still live in a suburb of the city, and I would be thrilled to see it make a comeback
The current light rail project is projected to cost something like $135 million dollars. It's primarily funded by private and non-profit organizations with the federal government only covering $25 million dollars of the cost.

Is that far enough away from the old business plan?
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Old 02-17-2013, 07:46 PM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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LOL B-Line?

The B-Line is god-awful, I agree. Way too many stops and no signal priority or preemption. Took about an hour to get to Park St.

C and D lines are great though. I lived at the intersection of the 3 branches so had my choice of lines to take into downtown. Hence my LRT experience in Boston was significantly more positive than yours seems to be.
Yes, I live around Cleveland Circle. I can really take B, C, or D. C and D are better, but far from good. Chronically overcrowded, stop for no reason. Subject to idiot drivers. Still unpleasant. And still takes too long, though better than B.
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Old 02-17-2013, 07:47 PM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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I was under the impression that Boston had both light rail and subway. I was wondering if anyone actually used the Cleveland system or not.
Yes Boston has both. But not every area has a subway. Of course people use Cleveland's system. It didn't go anywhere...
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Old 02-17-2013, 07:48 PM
 
Location: Hong Kong
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The current light rail project is projected to cost something like $135 million dollars. It's primarily funded by private and non-profit organizations with the federal government only covering $25 million dollars of the cost.

Is that far enough away from the old business plan?
That sounds like a big improvement, especially if the non-government involvement can "keep it real"
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