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Old 02-22-2013, 05:59 AM
 
Location: Youngstown, Oh.
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Or an electric car. I was next to a Tesla Roadster last Friday for a good 20 minutes. Consider I used about 10 times as much gas idling as moving in that time, the Tesla seemed a particularly good idea as it just shuts off when it stops.
You need a driver's license to operate an electric car.
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Old 02-22-2013, 07:15 AM
 
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You need a driver's license to operate an electric car.
And your point is what?

How does anyone not have a drivers license?
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Old 02-22-2013, 07:53 AM
 
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And your point is what?
You don't need a license to use a Segway in most states, and I don't think you need a license for an electric bike. (but now that I think about it, maybe it's considered a motorcycle, which would require a license?)

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How does anyone not have a drivers license?
Maybe they never had one? Maybe they have a disability that prevents them from getting one? Maybe they were stupid, and lost it for DUI? Assuming everyone drives is what got the US into the auto-dependent mess we're in, in the first place.
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Old 02-22-2013, 08:13 AM
 
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You don't need a license to use a Segway in most states, and I don't think you need a license for an electric bike. (but now that I think about it, maybe it's considered a motorcycle, which would require a license?)



Maybe they never had one? Maybe they have a disability that prevents them from getting one? Maybe they were stupid, and lost it for DUI? Assuming everyone drives is what got the US into the auto-dependent mess we're in, in the first place.
Assuming you don't have a disability that keeps you from driving (and let's face it, if you did, then you probably wouldn't be able to ride a segway or bike), it is pretty insane to not have a drivers license. Why would a person willingly prevent themselves from being able to if nothing else, rent a car in an emergency?

I live in a city, I could easily live without a car, but you would have to pay me quite a bit to give up my car. Cars have dramatically improved the quality of live for just about everyone. Being auto-dependent is the exact opposite of a 'mess'.
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Old 02-22-2013, 08:17 AM
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Location: Long Island / NYC
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Assuming you don't have a disability that keeps you from driving
You know what happens when you assume...

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and let's face it, if you did, then you probably wouldn't be able to ride a segway or bike
Not necessarily, I know someone who rides his bike places but cannot legally drive due to vision problems. You don't need to see as far in general with a bicycle.
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Old 02-22-2013, 08:28 AM
 
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You know what happens when you assume...



Not necessarily, I know someone who rides his bike places but cannot legally drive due to vision problems. You don't need to see as far in general with a bicycle.
The number of people with disabilities so severe that they cannot legally drive is well under 1%. Are you seriously suggesting that we should give serious consideration to change how everyone lives based on such a small outlier?

I am very much in favor of promoting urban living, and I always expect to live in a city. I still don't understand why people are so vehemently against cars. I still don't understand what being car-dependent is seen as a negative thing. Not having a car is unbelievably restrictive, and really limits what a person can do.
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Old 02-22-2013, 08:36 AM
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The number of people with disabilities so severe that they cannot legally drive is well under 1%. Are you seriously suggesting that we should give serious consideration to change how everyone lives based on such a small outlier?
I didn't say anything either way, just that you were making an assumption.

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I am very much in favor of promoting urban living, and I always expect to live in a city. I still don't understand why people are so vehemently against cars. I still don't understand what being car-dependent is seen as a negative thing. Not having a car is unbelievably restrictive, and really limits what a person can do.
I own a car, though I didn't find not owning one unbelievably restrictive. Personally, I like to be able to walk around / bike around where I live, rather than have to drive everywhere. Not having a car is unbelievably restrictive when you're in car dependent place.
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Old 02-22-2013, 08:45 AM
 
Location: Central CT, sometimes NH.
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Not necessarily, I know someone who rides his bike places but cannot legally drive due to vision problems. You don't need to see as far in general with a bicycle.
Hi nei,

I see you are from western MA. Are you aware that MCLA in North Adams has a Green Living seminar series every Thursday night? Last night they had Steve Mouzon, author of "The Original Green," speaking about practical sustainability. It was fantastic. MCLA's vision is a true gem.

The central theme that Mouzon conveyed was that practical traditional ideas often trumps urban planner's grand plans and in reality end up working against their goal. Dean Kamen, a genius, experienced this with the Segway. He failed to forsee that what Mouzon calls "Gizmo Green" is only a small part of sustainability. These components are ancillary and not transformative.

Western MA truly has many interesting places that have great layouts for an urban-living renaissance.

Lincolnian
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Old 02-22-2013, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Hudson County, NJ
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I simply think it was a better idea in theory. Then the movie Wall-E came out and everyone saw the direction we're heading in. Lazy, obese people with everything mechanical assisting us.

Stick to the bike if you need a way to get around, if that doesn't work, I suppose there is a Jazzy for you.
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Old 02-22-2013, 09:58 AM
 
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I didn't say anything either way, just that you were making an assumption.



I own a car, though I didn't find not owning one unbelievably restrictive. Personally, I like to be able to walk around / bike around where I live, rather than have to drive everywhere. Not having a car is unbelievably restrictive when you're in car dependent place.
I understand what you are saying, and I agree completely in that I also like to be able to walk/bike if I want to, however I have a hard time understanding why some people treat being auto-dependent as a bad thing. When reading this forum, I often get the feeling that some people view cars as some sort of 'evil', and I always have a hard time understanding why.
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