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Old 03-01-2013, 09:33 AM
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The problem I have is that people relying on mass transit are needlessly wasting time which is a direct drain on our economy. The fact is people on public transit spend an extra 30 minutes each day commuting than their fellow citizens who drive a car.
Ditto with people spending time on CityData rather than working.

Not a completely fair comparison, as the commutes done on public transit are different than driving commutes. As for myself, I often get some stuff done on transit.

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The Prius is more efficient than heavy rail.
That's wrong, at least according to this source. Most heavy rail is much higher than a single-occpuant Prius.

http://www.railvolution.org/rv2008_pdfs/rv2008_230e.pdf

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It's great that your concerned with what you're leaving behind, especially living in China which generally doesn't give a sh-- about what it leaves behind.
Accounting for Climate in Ranking Countries’ Carbon Dioxide Emissions American Scientist
True, though China is still lower in per capita emissions. Hong Kong is very energy efficient, especially considering its wealth.
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Old 03-01-2013, 09:38 AM
 
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You seem to have no sense of the real world.
USA version of Taliban. A bizarre thought process / religion.
"ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME " at its' worst.
I used to be just annoyed by all the ridiculous zombie stuff you just cant seem to avoid, but now I have to wonder if the phenomenon doesnt have some substance.
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Old 03-01-2013, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Vallejo
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What say you about transit making a travel time more productive? Lots of Wifi going into transit vehicles, now. Can't really get a lot of work done while driving.
I actually make almost all of my phone calls while driving.

But not, personally I can't work on transit aside from Amtrak-like commuter trains. If you can, that's great. I can't concentrate to the degree I need to do to fill out my TPS reports, jumble through 10, 20, 50, or 100 pages of documents while standing on BART holding my laptop with one hand, typing with the other, and flipping through said pages on the floor with my barefooted toes on BART's oh so sanitary floor while yelling at anyone who looks like they might step on, and yelling at someone to fetch me my documents back every time the train stops sending them flying down the train. It's just not ideal working conditions. YMMV.
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Old 03-01-2013, 10:02 AM
 
Location: North Baltimore ----> Seattle
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I actually make almost all of my phone calls while driving..
Very true, very convenient with bluetooth, speakerphone, etc.

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But not, personally I can't work on transit aside from Amtrak-like commuter trains. If you can, that's great. I can't concentrate to the degree I need to do to fill out my TPS reports, jumble through 10, 20, 50, or 100 pages of documents while standing on BART holding my laptop with one hand, typing with the other, and flipping through said pages on the floor with my barefooted toes on BART's oh so sanitary floor while yelling at anyone who looks like they might step on, and yelling at someone to fetch me my documents back every time the train stops sending them flying down the train. It's just not ideal working conditions. YMMV.
Heh. Commuter trains are good for working. I think a triage (similar to your auto commute) of work is common on lesser forms of transit. I don't pull out much paperwork, but try to take care of all preliminary emails if I'm riding the bus, and get my tasks together for the day (I've got to write everything out).

Then again, I rarely have to talk to people on the phone. If I did, it would be rather rude of me to do so on transit. But I guess that's what the quiet cars are for.
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Old 03-01-2013, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Vallejo
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Ditto with people spending time on CityData rather than working.

Not a completely fair comparison, as the commutes done on public transit are different than driving commutes. As for myself, I often get some stuff done on transit.



That's wrong, at least according to this source. Most heavy rail is much higher than a single-occpuant Prius.

http://www.railvolution.org/rv2008_pdfs/rv2008_230e.pdf



True, though China is still lower in per capita emissions. Hong Kong is very energy efficient, especially considering its wealth.
I didn't see anything about BTUs for anything in there, let alone Priuses. Page 11 is the most relevant. The average automobile (20 mpg) versus the Prius (49 combined mpg), and then divide that by 1.56, the average number of occupants in a car, and you get -- .24. The same number as for average rail transit. Now figure that average rail transit is run by state agencies who generally buy lots of green energy. BART's CO2 is so low not only because it's efficient but because it uses lots of energy generated from hydroelectric, solar, wind, and nuclear sources. The average rail isn't BART, but it's not getting 100% of its energy from fossil fuels either.

If you're saying we can lower our C02 rate by switching cars to trains and building nuclear reactors to run them, I'd agree. Even though the average heavy rail is still more energy intensive, it can produce less CO2 by using non-CO2 generating power sources.

Comparing the developed to the developing is apples to oranges. Once China finishes developing and has similar productivity per capita to the States, yikes.

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Old 03-01-2013, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Not a completely fair comparison, as the commutes done on public transit are different than driving commutes.
We're comparing time to arrival for different modes of transit. Why isn't it a fair comparison?

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As for myself, I often get some stuff done on transit.
Yeah, but the hourly worker can't get some stuff done on transit. So if she's earning $20 per hour, she may potentially be losing up to $100 per week (assuming she's spending an additional hour on transit that could be spent at work).
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Old 03-01-2013, 05:40 PM
 
Location: Hong Kong
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Yeah, but the hourly worker can't get some stuff done on transit. So if she's earning $20 per hour, she may potentially be losing up to $100 per week (assuming she's spending an additional hour on transit that could be spent at work).
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Commuter trains can be a great place to use a laptop
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Old 03-01-2013, 06:50 PM
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Seriously, if people are going to work on the way to work, they should get paid for their commute time.
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Old 03-01-2013, 06:51 PM
 
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Commuter trains can be a great place to use a laptop
Not everyone will use a commuter train(there is rapid tranist, buses ect..) and not all rides on commuter train will be spacious enough to use them(Metra nearing the loop at the morning rush can be pretty packed). Ride Metra esp. the northwest line when there is a Cub's game and you will be lucky to get a seat.

Honestly no one should be on the phone or answering e-mails by driving.

What makes public transit attractive is when it about as fast or faster than a car and cheaper in terms of parking otherwise the car usualy wins by speed and closer distance to destination. And public tranist is as expensive to put in as an highway(it ain't cheap or free). Where public tranist shine is in high density enviroments where it crashes are in the lower density enviroments most people would prefer to live in.
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Old 03-01-2013, 07:44 PM
 
Location: Hong Kong
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Seriously, if people are going to work on the way to work, they should get paid for their commute time.
It depends entirely on what sort of job you have, and how you invision that job.

If you look at a JOB AS a Te@t you suck on, then you should get paid for every hour.



If you look at a JOB AS a Platform you operate from, then the more you accomplish, the better.

The second workers are the ones that will work on the train. The others will not.
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