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Old 02-26-2013, 05:14 PM
 
Location: Hong Kong
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... The irrational fear of stepping on a parking lot is really separate issue to merely not liking strip malls. Perhaps it's not kosher to make fun of people's phobias. Apparently, parking lot phobia is a legitimate psychological isssue:

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/...d-hard-phobias
That sounds badly mis-diagnosed to me:
"Fear of stepping on a parking lot" ? If it exists it must be very rare (perhaps related to a trauma in a past life, or something.)

But an "intense dislike of parking lots" is altogether rational. Is there anything less attractive that rows and rows of steaming cars under a hot sun, that one has to walk through on the way to a shopping or eating destination? If you do not find what you are looking for, you have to walk back out, and then walk a long way to find the next one. This is not an experience that encourages walking. So whenever I read a high walkscore and see lots of parking, I think they must have it wrong.

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Old 02-26-2013, 05:16 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Actually, with the size of strollers these days, you probably could. Now, how you intend to get the stroller on the bus is another matter. Maybe you can convince them to put down the wheelchair ramp?
No stroller on Earth can compete with this bad boy. It's only a matter of time before uptown_urbanist is riding around town in style in one of these.
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Old 02-26-2013, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Hong Kong
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But one of the problems is that so many places still have zoning codes in place that make it difficult for developers -- even if they KNOW there's a demand -- to build the kind of buildings that create this kind of urban neighborhood. You don't get urban and walkable (or at least it's a lot harder!) when you have, among other things, large parking minimums.
Yes. Agreed.
This is the heart of the problem.
Someone here kept talking about leaving cars alone in a "free market." A real free market would not have expensive "parking minimum" as exist almost everywhere in cities an suburbs today.

If a city wants to encourage development, then maybe what they should do is the scrap (or reduce) the minimum parking requirement in some locations, such as those close to transit stations
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Old 02-26-2013, 05:26 PM
 
Location: Hong Kong
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No stroller on Earth can compete with this bad boy.
"tis a "bad boy", and should be taxed accordingly - in every way:
at purchase, for using cheap gasoline, and for consuming "free" parking.

Your grandchildren will wonder why you allowed beast like that to enjoy subsidies while they were busy robbing the future. I wonder too.

They may say: well, they allowed banks, and big pharma to rob the middle class so maybe "it was part of grandpa's (and grandma's) culture." Whatta culture?
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Old 02-26-2013, 05:38 PM
 
Location: Vallejo
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That sounds badly mis-diagnosed to me:
"Fear of stepping on a parking lot" ? If it exists it must be very rare (perhaps related to a trauma in a past life, or something.)

But an "intense dislike of parking lots" is altogether rational. Is there anything less attractive that rows and rows of steaming cars under a hot sun, that one has to walk through on the way to a shopping or eating destination? If you do not find what you are looking for, you have to walk back out, and then walk a long way to find the next one. This is not an experience that encourages walking. So whenever I read a high walkscore and see lots of parking, I think they must have it wrong.
Driving around and around the Haight trying to find parking to pay for. Then again, if you put in parking you'd kind of ruin it.
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Old 02-26-2013, 05:43 PM
 
Location: Hong Kong
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Driving around and around the Haight trying to find parking to pay for.
Then again, if you put in parking you'd kind of ruin it.
Exactly.
We need more Haight-like walkable communities.
If car owners want to visit, then can park elsewhere and come in by bus, or some other form of transport.

Every city should aim to have a Walkable area which is carfree, or at least car-light. If these prove financially viable, they should be grown to areas which car dependency and excessive parking have ruined.

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Old 02-26-2013, 05:43 PM
 
Location: North Baltimore ----> Seattle
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Actually, with the size of strollers these days, you probably could. Now, how you intend to get the stroller on the bus is another matter. Maybe you can convince them to put down the wheelchair ramp?
Why would a person who rides the bus frequently use an enormous stroller? They come in multiple sizes.

Usually here, the passenger boarding ahead of the person with the stroller offers to take the (empty) stroller aboard for the parent, while the parent boards holding the baby.

It's a good point though - it should be made easier. Low floor buses are part of the solution.
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Old 02-26-2013, 05:43 PM
 
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They thought that when they built the Malls in the outer ring suburbs. The land was cheap, and they could build big malls surrounded by seas of free parking lots. But now many of those suburban malls are struggling, and some have gone bust. What went wrong with that model?
Nothing. Plenty of those malls are thriving. They keep building new ones, though the current trend in that category is unenclosed outlet malls rather than your conventional enclosed mall. Yes, some fail; nobody expects everything to succeed.

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Key question:
How do you get the customers to the mall, if you are not enticing them with "free" parking?

Answer (which has worked so well in LON and HK):
You build the mall next to, or on top of the transit station, along with plenty of mixed use development, including residential apartments and homes.
Didn't work so well for the Manhattan Mall, which initially failed and had to be scaled back from 13 floors to 4.
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Old 02-26-2013, 05:47 PM
 
Location: Hong Kong
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Why would a person who rides the bus frequently use an enormous stroller? They come in multiple sizes.

Usually here, the passenger boarding ahead of the person with the stroller offers to take the (empty) stroller aboard for the parent, while the parent boards holding the baby.

It's a good point though - it should be made easier. Low floor buses are part of the solution.
There are fold-up strollers. I see many every day in Hong Kong. ANd parents happily take them unfolded onto the Mass Transit trains
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Old 02-26-2013, 06:02 PM
 
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If a city wants to encourage development, then maybe what they should do is the scrap (or reduce) the minimum parking requirement in some locations, such as those close to transit stations
Not always. Having parking near a transit station allows drivers to use their cars to get to the station and use the train to go elsewhere. Also depends on what kind of buisness. Some buisness need lots of parking others don't.
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