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Old 03-04-2013, 07:07 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Top 10 Largest Malls
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#1 : Mall of America : Bloomington, MN
#2 : Arizona Mills : Tempe, AZ
#3 : Rodeo Drive : Beverley Hills, CA
#4 : Macy's : New York City, NY
#5 : Fashion Show : Las Vegas, NV

#6 : South Coast Plaza : Coasta Mesa, CA
#7 : Sawgrass Mills, Sunrise, FL
#8 : Ala Moana Center : Honolulu, HA
#9 : The Gallery of Dallas : North Dallas, TX
10 : King of Prussia Mall : King of Prussia, PA
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I've actually been to five of those (1, 3, 4, 6, and 8). 3 and 4 are not malls.
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Old 03-04-2013, 07:11 PM
 
Location: Hong Kong
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The King of Prussia Mall and Sawgrass Mills are as far from walkable as you're likely to get. KoP is your classic enclosed mall (actually 2) in the suburbs with a sea of parking, now with restaurants, a Crate and Barrel, a big-box strip mall (including a Nordstrom Rack), and a huge movie theatre on the perimeter. Sawgrass Mills is an enclosed outlet mall in the middle of nowhere, surrounded by a sea of parking, and containing a ridiculous number of so-called outlet stores....

Anyway, the death of the mall is greatly exaggerated.
I never said that Malls do not ever work anywhere. Of course, many remain successful. And to keep that point in mind, I dedicated one of my first posts to the Top 10 Malls.

So thanks for your explanations.

We can look at both the successes and failures on this thread. No doubt, there will be more than one successful model.
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Old 03-04-2013, 07:13 PM
 
Location: Hong Kong
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I've actually been to five of those (1, 3, 4, 6, and 8). 3 and 4 are not malls.
That was not my video. I did not make it.
So I do not know what criteria he used.

Why don't you explain why large stores like Macy's are not Malls.
What is YOUR definition of a shopping mall?

Here's how Wiki-pedia defines Shopping Mall:

"A shopping mall, shopping center/centre, shopping arcade, shopping precinct, or simply mall is one or more buildings forming a complex of shops representing merchandisers, with interconnecting walkways enabling visitors to easily walk from unit to unit, along with a parking area – a modern, indoor version of the traditional marketplace."

My own definition might be a bit different - For instance, I see no need to have a parking area, if there are other good transport connections. But in 99%+ of the cases, there will likely be at least some parking.

Here's what Wiki says about DEAD MALLS:

In the United States, as more modern facilities are built, many early malls have been abandoned due to decreased traffic and tenancy.

In the mid-1990s, malls were still being constructed at a rate of 140 a year. But in 2001, a PricewaterhouseCoopers study found that under performing and vacant malls, known as “greyfield” and “dead mall” estates, were an emerging problem. In 2007, a year before the crash, no new malls were built in America, for the first time in 50 years. A mall in Salt Lake City which opened in March 2012 was the first to be built since then.

Until the mid-1990s, the trend was to build enclosed malls and to renovate older outdoor malls into enclosed ones. Such malls had advantages, including temperature control. The trend has turned and it is again fashionable to build open-air malls.

Some enclosed malls have been opened up, such as the Sherman Oaks Galleria. In addition, some malls, when replacing an empty anchor location, have replaced the former anchor store building with the more modern outdoor design, leaving the remainder of the indoor mall intact.


(Wiki doesn't mention transportation, and I think they are missing something important.)

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Old 03-04-2013, 07:46 PM
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I don't get why the OP focuses on malls. There's plenty of shopping not in malls, and generally in the US successful walkable downtowns have their shops facing the street not enclosed in the mall, though sometimes downtown-like areas do have a mall.

Macy's is a department store that often exists inside a mall.
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Old 03-04-2013, 08:11 PM
 
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Remedy?

Malls are dying because they are horrible substitutes for public forums. Let them die. Never build one again. That's the only remedy I can suggest.

Then build real cities and towns with walkable centers (not air conditioned spaces surrounded by hectares of surface parking.
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Old 03-04-2013, 08:29 PM
 
Location: Chandler, AZ
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They've been replaced by open-air, so-called 'lifestyle centers' nationwide, such as The Grove
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Old 03-04-2013, 08:40 PM
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I have seen malls come and go in the 33 years I've lived in CO. Most still have some type of shopping on the premises. Many have been turned into these stupid "lifestyle centers". I'm not really sure what that is supposed to mean. I've seen some new malls built since we moved here, too.
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Old 03-04-2013, 09:00 PM
 
Location: Chandler, AZ
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Many American cities have downtowns which are supremely walkable, but are simply too expensive for the average working stiff to live in. If he or she lives and works in a suburb, he or she has no reason to venture downtown in the first place.

The social engineers have been trying to do just that here in LA and elsewhere for over two decades with dreadful results, and has blown trillions of dollars in the process.

Basically the pompous degrees they received from (insert liberal university here) have been repudiated by the local citizens whom they wish to shoehorn into living areas which THEY deem to be sufficient.

Those so-called 'liberal elites' and 'no-growth' blockheads turn out to be dumber than a pile of rocks.

Suburbs aren't going away anytime soon, and the 'war' on suburbs launched by our President and other do-gooders are downright offensive not to mention pointless.
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Old 03-04-2013, 09:10 PM
 
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Many American cities have downtowns which are supremely walkable, but are simply too expensive for the average working stiff to live in. If he or she lives and works in a suburb, he or she has no reason to venture downtown in the first place.

The social engineers have been trying to do just that here in LA and elsewhere for over two decades with dreadful results, and has blown trillions of dollars in the process.

Basically the pompous degrees they received from (insert liberal university here) have been repudiated by the local citizens whom they wish to shoehorn into living areas which THEY deem to be sufficient.

Those so-called 'liberal elites' and 'no-growth' blockheads turn out to be dumber than a pile of rocks.

Suburbs aren't going away anytime soon, and the 'war' on suburbs launched by our President and other do-gooders are downright offensive not to mention pointless.
Let me disabuse you of something. The alternative to sprawl isn't "no growth". The alternative is smart growth.

Horrid sprawl and growth are not synonomous.
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Old 03-04-2013, 09:13 PM
 
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"They've been replaced by open-air, so-called 'lifestyle centers' nationwide"... UGH I hate these atrocities... I live in a climate that is very cold in the winter at times. These things are terrible, you take your life in your hands crossing the parking lot getting to the stores in the one by us, way too many cell phone talkin SUV drivers oblivious to pedestrians ... give me an indoor mall any day. This trend can die and I would be happy.
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