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Old 03-13-2013, 08:36 AM
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In the Atlanta suburbs, when the black population of an area rose, crime begin to increase dramatically. Perfect examples are Clayton County and Dekalb County. Both Counties lost or are beginning to lose school accreditation and has a lot of corruption within it's government. Meanwhile, the suburbs with the best schools are vastly majority white or Asian in the northern suburbs of Alpharetta, Johns Creek, Sandy Springs, and Roswell.

Now I'm not saying all black people are criminal....not even most...but per capita, crime among blacks are probably the highest in the nation. Notice how crime in Atlanta has dropped considerably over the years as the black population percentage continues to decrease. When you look at the statistics, there's a pretty good correlation between black population of an area and the crime of an area. Blacks are still on the lowest end of the spectrum when it comes to median income and education attainment.
Actually, the crime rises had more to do with the worst criminals following the Black population out to the suburbs. When the educated and professional Blacks go to any area, the crime rates don't go up. When criminals and other nefarious characters move out there, the crime rates go up. I know all about Clayton County. What you aren't seeing is that Clayton County, well, that was a result of Atlanta tearing down housing projects, and the residents of those former housing projects went to Clayton County instead.

I can tell you didn't read or pay attention to my whole statement. I specifically mentioned that if you replaced the poor Blacks and criminals with professionals, educated, and law-abiding Blacks, things would look much better. I also mentioned that alot of areas became majority Black, not because Black people were looking for such as aesthetic, but because alot of the Black residents were those who were left behind. In Clayton County's case, it was a matter of residents of former housing projects being relocated elsewhere.

Ask yourself this. Why is it that when Blacks become more educated and become professionals, there is a much lesser likelihood for them to live around one another than if they were poor?
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Old 03-13-2013, 08:47 AM
 
Location: "Daytonnati"
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Ask yourself this. Why is it that when Blacks become more educated and become professionals, there is a much lesser likelihood for them to live around one another than if they were poor?
There is a vicious cycle operating when they move into white areas, because, after a certain tipping point, the area is percieved as integrated and thus less desirable..to whites.

Then the property values drop, what was once owned become rental, and the "bad actors" move in.

Wash, Rinse, Repeat.
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Old 03-13-2013, 08:49 AM
 
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Actually, the crime rises had more to do with the worst criminals following the Black population out to the suburbs. When the educated and professional Blacks go to any area, the crime rates don't go up. When criminals and other nefarious characters move out there, the crime rates go up. I know all about Clayton County. What you aren't seeing is that Clayton County, well, that was a result of Atlanta tearing down housing projects, and the residents of those former housing projects went to Clayton County instead.

I can tell you didn't read or pay attention to my whole statement. I specifically mentioned that if you replaced the poor Blacks and criminals with professionals, educated, and law-abiding Blacks, things would look much better. I also mentioned that alot of areas became majority Black, not because Black people were looking for such as aesthetic, but because alot of the Black residents were those who were left behind. In Clayton County's case, it was a matter of residents of former housing projects being relocated elsewhere.

Ask yourself this. Why is it that when Blacks become more educated and become professionals, there is a much lesser likelihood for them to live around one another than if they were poor?
Because Blacks at the moment are still on the lowest end of the spectrum when it comes to income, there are generally much more poor blacks than other races, maybe other then Hispanics. You're making the assumption that majority of blacks are educated and middle class when this is far from the truth. Unfortunately, probably nearly 1/3 of all blacks fall below the poverty line. This causes crime among blacks to increase dramatically.

But the you have to ask yourself. When Katrina hit New Orleans, why was there so much looting going on(and we're talking flatscreen T.Vs, not food and necessities), but when the Earthquake/Tsunami hit Japan, there was little looting?

There's just not enough of a black middle class to offset the black lower class. Sad, but true fact.
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Old 03-13-2013, 08:50 AM
 
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Another aspect people don't think about is that many times, cities/towns were Blacker before European immigration and in turn, Blacks were pushed back further in terms of jobs and economic opportunities. When you add this to the mix, along with what green_mariner mentioned, it can make for a volatile situation. I always refer to this article that illustrates how a Black community can vanish or downsize, when their importance or value in terms of economic opportunities decline and said opportunities go to other groups: JSTOR: An Error Occurred Setting Your User Cookie So, when you in essence, outsource jobs within your own country to other people that haven't been here as long as Blacks, why are we surprised by the economic outcomes among or between groups in this country? Think about it, Black folks outside of Native Americans have longer roots in terms of volume and history than other groups.
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Old 03-13-2013, 08:52 AM
 
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Because Blacks at the moment are still on the lowest end of the spectrum when it comes to income, there are generally much more poor blacks than other races, maybe other then Hispanics. You're making the assumption that majority of blacks are educated and middle class when this is far from the truth. Unfortunately, probably nearly 1/3 of all blacks fall below the poverty line. This causes crime among blacks to increase dramatically.

But the you have to ask yourself. When Katrina hit New Orleans, why was there so much looting going on(and we're talking flatscreen T.Vs, not food and necessities), but when the Earthquake/Tsunami hit Japan, there was little looting?

There's just not enough of a black middle class to offset the black lower class. Sad, but true fact.
How do we know, as the media can portray things any way they want. Also, considering the homogeneity of Japan, perhaps said comparison is an apples to oranges comparison.
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Old 03-13-2013, 08:54 AM
 
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IMO, blacks seem to have been more hardworking and determined prior to the Civil Right era. It's strange to me. You had people like MLK, Rosa Parks, etc. It's strange how much has changed in the black community. Blacks have really taken their full freedom in this country for granted and don't realize just how much was done to give them full civil rights. Black Marriage rates were incredibly high then and no are the lowest of all races at barely 28%. This alone tells a lot.
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Old 03-13-2013, 08:57 AM
 
Location: North Baltimore ----> Seattle
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Black Marriage rates were incredibly high then and no are the lowest of all races at barely 28%. This alone tells a lot.
Absolutely it doesn't, considering that federal housing policies were set in place that discouraged marriage.

Why did this thread get dumped onto the urban planning forum?
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Old 03-13-2013, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA (Morningside)
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned that Washington DC was over 70% black in the 1970 and 1980 censuses, but has clearly reversed its decline. It was down to just over 50% black in 2010 however, so it's pretty clear it will no longer be a majority black city by 2020.

Still, it shows there is no magic 70% threshold. If you give white people a reason to move back to an overwhelmingly black city they will.
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Old 03-13-2013, 09:29 AM
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Because Blacks at the moment are still on the lowest end of the spectrum when it comes to income, there are generally much more poor blacks than other races, maybe other then Hispanics. You're making the assumption that majority of blacks are educated and middle class when this is far from the truth. Unfortunately, probably nearly 1/3 of all blacks fall below the poverty line. This causes crime among blacks to increase dramatically.

But the you have to ask yourself. When Katrina hit New Orleans, why was there so much looting going on(and we're talking flatscreen T.Vs, not food and necessities), but when the Earthquake/Tsunami hit Japan, there was little looting?

There's just not enough of a black middle class to offset the black lower class. Sad, but true fact.
1/3 of the Black population is living below the poverty line. This mean 2/3 of the population is NOT living below the poverty line. 2/3 of the population is trying to avoid the 1/3 where most of the social issues are taking places.

To put this into perspective, there are more Blacks living in the middle class than ever before. There are more Blacks with university-level degrees than ever before. It is those individuals who are leaving the cities for the suburbs for the most part.

I have relatives in the New Orleans area. They are Black. None of them were involved in the looting and stupidity. They had family members living in other cities that they could turn to. With Katrina the stuff that happened was merely a microcosm of what had been going on for years. New Orleans is one of the poorest cities in the USA. Race happens to be the correlation but not the causation. It was the poorest Blacks that stayed behind in New Orleans. With Japan, it is a culture of shame. Why are you comparing Japan to New Orleans. Japan is thousands of years old and has had many years to get it right. Black Americans have been in this nation for 300-400 years, and a large part of that time was under enslavement. Japan is its own nation with its own set of rules and the police were able to get things under control. There isn't the individualistic culture that exists here in the USA.

The middle class Black population is larger than ever. Before this increase in the middle class, Blacks were much poorer in general and there were alot more poor Blacks. However, Black crime didn't begin to get bad until the 1970s, as drugs were being brought into the USA.

There are more Blacks in the middle class today than ever before, and more Blacks are in the middle class than there are poor Blacks. If you add in those persons who are upper class, even more so. It is a question of a large gap between the Black middle class and the poor Black population.
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Old 03-13-2013, 09:32 AM
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IMO, blacks seem to have been more hardworking and determined prior to the Civil Right era. It's strange to me. You had people like MLK, Rosa Parks, etc. It's strange how much has changed in the black community. Blacks have really taken their full freedom in this country for granted and don't realize just how much was done to give them full civil rights. Black Marriage rates were incredibly high then and no are the lowest of all races at barely 28%. This alone tells a lot.
Actually, the question is what happened to the poorest of the Black population? The Black middle class has quadrupled since the days of Dr. King and Rosa Parks. Things for the Black middle class are better than before. However, for poor Blacks or the working class Black population, things are quite hard, especially with the decline of the industrial base.

With marriage rates, they have dropped, and so has the birth rate for Blacks. However, the question is this. Can it be broken down by income level? If we look at that, it might make some interesting revelations.
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