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Old 03-11-2013, 07:40 PM
 
Location: Mishawaka, Indiana
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This idea has come to me after examining many demographics and statistics on cities. I've come to see that many cities with demographics that are majorly black, i.e. 60% or more are usually poverty stricken cities with high crime, deteriorating downtowns and inner city neighborhoods, abandoned buildings, etc.

As a quote from another thread's poster read:


Baltimore's poor are overwhelmingly Black American and their behavior exacts a tremendous social and economic toll on the city. Baltimore is hurtling towards Tamar Jacoby's "tipping point" of 70% Black. This is the point where she says cities experience an irreversible decline.

Found here at:
How can you become a "World Class City" with "low to no class" residents??

This seems to be overwhelmingly accurate. Cities that are vastly slanted in the black population are often times much poorer and much worse off. Examples:

Detroit - 83% black
36% below poverty line

Flint - 57% black
38% below poverty line

Baltimore - 64% black
23% below poverty line

Memphis - 63% black
26% below poverty line

Newark - 53% black
26% below poverty line

Jackson - 79% black
28% below poverty line

Birmingham - 73% black
27% below poverty line

Cleveland - 54% black
33% below poverty line

Gary - 85% black
36% below poverty line

East Saint Louis - 98% black
42% below poverty line

Do you see the trend here? It seems in most major cities, the higher the black population the higher the poverty rates. Some cities are able to manage it while keeping overall poverty rates at a median. But it seems that over 50% spells problems, and over 70% spells inevitable and long term decline.
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Old 03-11-2013, 08:35 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Aren't all of those cities that had major white-flight? Basically if the residents who can support the city choose not to live there, the cities fall apart.
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Old 03-11-2013, 09:20 PM
 
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Atlanta was 61% black in 2000, yet it seems to have done well. I mean, yes, it's losing it's black majority, but how come it didn't decline then?
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Old 03-11-2013, 09:39 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Many of them were single or dual industry cities. When those industries moved or not longer became economically feasible, they wouldn't have an easy time to reposition themselves economically.

I think the high poverty rate is more of a reflection of people moving in that couldn't afford to live in a nicer locale and could take advantage of the falling prices and/or the people left behind unable to maintain a good job over time.
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Old 03-11-2013, 10:17 PM
 
Location: Mishawaka, Indiana
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Atlanta was 61% black in 2000, yet it seems to have done well. I mean, yes, it's losing it's black majority, but how come it didn't decline then?
Atlanta is one of the very few exceptions to this rule, and arguably it never reached the 70% point, where things begin to go into serious decline. Areas of Atlanta are still seriously impoverished. Atlanta ranks as the second most separated city between rich and poor in the nation. Only in D.C. is the gap between the haves and have nots greater.
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Old 03-11-2013, 10:24 PM
 
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Atlanta is one of the very few exceptions to this rule, and arguably it never reached the 70% point, where things begin to go into serious decline. Areas of Atlanta are still seriously impoverished. Atlanta ranks as the second most separated city between rich and poor in the nation. Only in D.C. is the gap between the haves and have nots greater.
Show me a source of this because it's hard to believe. NYC seems like it would be worst then Atlanta just because of the high costs of living. I can understand D.C. because it also cost a lot to live at.

And every city has serious impoverished areas. Is this anything new?
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Old 03-11-2013, 10:46 PM
 
Location: Miss Jankins (Say nothing bad).
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This idea has come to me after examining many demographics and statistics on cities. I've come to see that many cities with demographics that are majorly black, i.e. 60% or more are usually poverty stricken cities with high crime, deteriorating downtowns and inner city neighborhoods, abandoned buildings, etc.

As a quote from another thread's poster read:


Baltimore's poor are overwhelmingly Black American and their behavior exacts a tremendous social and economic toll on the city. Baltimore is hurtling towards Tamar Jacoby's "tipping point" of 70% Black. This is the point where she says cities experience an irreversible decline.

Found here at:
How can you become a "World Class City" with "low to no class" residents??

This seems to be overwhelmingly accurate. Cities that are vastly slanted in the black population are often times much poorer and much worse off. Examples:

Detroit - 83% black
36% below poverty line

Flint - 57% black
38% below poverty line

Baltimore - 64% black
23% below poverty line

Memphis - 63% black
26% below poverty line

Newark - 53% black
26% below poverty line

Jackson - 79% black
28% below poverty line

Birmingham - 73% black
27% below poverty line

Cleveland - 54% black
33% below poverty line

Gary - 85% black
36% below poverty line

East Saint Louis - 98% black
42% below poverty line

Do you see the trend here? It seems in most major cities, the higher the black population the higher the poverty rates. Some cities are able to manage it while keeping overall poverty rates at a median. But it seems that over 50% spells problems, and over 70% spells inevitable and long term decline.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, blame Black folk for your failed cities. Black folk did not create these conditions. Who in their right mind, wants to live in impoverished conditions? Right being the operative word.

Black people in general, Black men in particular, are no longer the economic necessity that our enslaved ancestors once were. If you can find it, read Sidney Wilhelm's Who Needs the Negro? There was a time in this country when a strapping, young Black man was an economic necessity in the factories, mills, and foundries of the North. Certainly, it would have been to the country's advantage to leave those factories put. It was NOT Black folk who decided to close or to move those factories, for whatever the reason.

"Economic toll..." Drivel! That which you call crime, is an economy! Prison are the new factories! However, they are built not to punish or rehabilitate. They are warehouses!

Black people are always reacting to well thought out, wicked plans. Read about the counter intelligence program (COINTELPRO).

I could go on. However, I doubt that you have any interest in the problem or solutions.

This is hardly a city vs city topic.

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Old 03-11-2013, 10:47 PM
 
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There's plenty of ghost towns that are worse off than the towns you posted. Plenty of towns that were once bustling at one point, and now are nothing more than empty outpost in the middle of nowhere. Their decline had more to do with certain industries or lack-there-of in those cities.
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Old 03-11-2013, 10:56 PM
 
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here are a few indicators
-the % of college educated ppl is low, particularly those who are younger; similar logic applies to % with post-grad degrees
-reliance on manufacturing and/or natural resources that are suffering from low prices/demand, or possibly dwindling supply
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Old 03-11-2013, 11:46 PM
 
Location: Mexico City, formerly Columbus, Ohio
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Many of them were single or dual industry cities. When those industries moved or not longer became economically feasible, they wouldn't have an easy time to reposition themselves economically.

I think the high poverty rate is more of a reflection of people moving in that couldn't afford to live in a nicer locale and could take advantage of the falling prices and/or the people left behind unable to maintain a good job over time.
Exactly, the implication of the question is somewhat racist, imo. Blacks did not cause those cities to decline.
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