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Old 08-29-2014, 09:15 PM
 
Location: Holly Neighborhood, AUSTINtx
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That's probably way more than actually play any other sport.



Have you been in parks in most cities these days? All of the bold happens, unless it's "open space" and even that is mowed, weeded and trimmed at times.
Yes, we do have fields for sports and events but they take up a small percentage of park space. AFAIK they do not fertilize or water anything outside of these. Parks like our greenbelts around creeks are basically untouched natural spaces once you get beyond the trailhead parking lot. Example:

http://www.austinparks.org/our-parks.html?parkid=206
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Old 08-29-2014, 10:37 PM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Yes, we do have fields for sports and events but they take up a small percentage of park space. AFAIK they do not fertilize or water anything outside of these. Parks like our greenbelts around creeks are basically untouched natural spaces once you get beyond the trailhead parking lot. Example:

Parks, trails, and open space in Austin and Travis County | Austin Parks Foundation
Every park in my city has a nice lawn of Kentucky blue grass and trees, neither of which are native to Colorado. That is true for the parks I can think of in Denver as well. There's not much of anything that grows here w/o watering and fertilization, certainly not green grass and most trees. Some of them also have nice flower plantings.

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Old 08-29-2014, 10:46 PM
 
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People pay good money to play golf on them, so no, they are probably not a waste. Don't really get the issue, people are having fun using the facility, hence why they are there.
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Old 08-29-2014, 11:57 PM
 
Location: Fort Collins, USA
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Every park in my city has a nice lawn of Kentucky blue grass and trees, neither of which are native to Colorado. That is true for the parks I can think of in Denver as well. There's not much of anything that grows here w/o watering and fertilization, certainly not green grass and most trees. Some of them also have nice flower plantings.
Louisville has no natural open space (parks by another name)? Fort Collins has a lot of it, and in terms of developed parks they actually left part of the latest large park as natural vegetation. So no, you don't need to keep the entirety of the park irrigated even if that is how it was done in the past.

As for golf courses, there's no getting around the fact that they are water and resource intensive in the West. A city like Denver has residential lots that are mostly planted and watered to make the yards look like mini-parks, while it also has irrigated parks and golf courses. It seems to me that (in a non-drought year) limiting the high usage of water to the latter common areas would be better than to stop watering the parks and golf courses and do nothing about residential use. Not only because that concentrates the higher water usage into areas that will ultimately serve more people, but because western cities can and often do use gray water to irrigate common areas.
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Old 08-30-2014, 06:14 AM
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Out here, you can get away with not watering your lawn if you don't care about it looking super green all the time. Golf courses will always water, though. Doubt the big parks water much. About 11 inches of rain in the last two months! And more to come!
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Old 08-30-2014, 06:53 AM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Louisville has no natural open space (parks by another name)? Fort Collins has a lot of it, and in terms of developed parks they actually left part of the latest large park as natural vegetation. So no, you don't need to keep the entirety of the park irrigated even if that is how it was done in the past.

As for golf courses, there's no getting around the fact that they are water and resource intensive in the West. A city like Denver has residential lots that are mostly planted and watered to make the yards look like mini-parks, while it also has irrigated parks and golf courses. It seems to me that (in a non-drought year) limiting the high usage of water to the latter common areas would be better than to stop watering the parks and golf courses and do nothing about residential use. Not only because that concentrates the higher water usage into areas that will ultimately serve more people, but because western cities can and often do use gray water to irrigate common areas.
Sigh! Yes, I said as much a few posts up.

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That's probably way more than actually play any other sport.



Have you been in parks in most cities these days? All of the bold happens, unless it's "open space" and even that is mowed, weeded and trimmed at times.
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Old 08-30-2014, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Fort Collins, USA
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Out here, you can get away with not watering your lawn if you don't care about it looking super green all the time. Golf courses will always water, though. Doubt the big parks water much. About 11 inches of rain in the last two months! And more to come!
I understand that. The definition of sustainable land use practices is different between wetter and drier parts of the country. Golf courses waste water and resources in both parts of the country, but in my part, the common alternative to a golf course in a city is generally more single-family housing with irrigated, chemically-treated, and fertilized lawns. Of course, in the latter case, you are housing people so you could make the argument that it is still a better use of space.
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Old 08-30-2014, 04:16 PM
 
Location: North by Northwest
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I understand that. The definition of sustainable land use practices is different between wetter and drier parts of the country. Golf courses waste water and resources in both parts of the country, but in my part, the common alternative to a golf course in a city is generally more single-family housing with irrigated, chemically-treated, and fertilized lawns. Of course, in the latter case, you are housing people so you could make the argument that it is still a better use of space.
Or you can strike a balance between the two.
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Old 08-30-2014, 04:29 PM
 
Location: Fort Collins, USA
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Sigh! Yes, I said as much a few posts up.
You also categorized all parks in Louisville as having irrigated vegetation in response to verybadgnome's post that most parks in Austin are kept in their natural state. That's simply not true of the Front Range cities in general if you include the large number of city-owned natural areas (which are not mowed, watered, or modified from their natural state beyond the construction of trails and some light infrastructure).
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Old 08-30-2014, 09:24 PM
 
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That's probably way more than actually play any other sport.



Have you been in parks in most cities these days? All of the bold happens, unless it's "open space" and even that is mowed, weeded and trimmed at times.
Yep. The parks around here (northern NJ) are all landscaped. I haven't seen any watering, but that may just be because we've had a cool summer with plenty of rain and they haven't needed it.

We also have areas called "reservations" (think National Park or State Park on a much, much smaller scale) which are mostly not, however.

If the parks weren't landscaped, they'd end up looking like the reservations -- first they'd be covered with tall grasses and other fast-growing vegetation, then probably maples and oaks and other deciduous trees would cover the area; within 50 years they'd be small forests. Wouldn't be much use for human recreation -- too small for "outdoors" activities like hiking and too wild for more typical park activities.
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