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Old 08-31-2014, 03:32 PM
 
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We just got another 1/2" rain this afternoon.
Could you be great and pass some to California? We've used all our water on ice bucket challenges.
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Old 09-01-2014, 08:13 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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^^LOL! A Facebook friend who lives in the mountains above Boulder posted a picture of the *snow* they got yesterday afternoon! Snow in August, a rarity even at her altitude.
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Old 09-04-2014, 07:55 PM
 
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When the August wrap-up appears in the paper, I'll post it. Their numbers will be for Boulder.
Here it is:
August 2014 in Boulder was not as rainy as it seemed - Boulder Daily Camera
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Old 09-04-2014, 08:03 PM
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Reminds me of the time I visited Grand Teton / Yellowstone parks. Impressive thunderstorms in the afternoon with lots of lightning but not much rain. One day in the mountains, two quick storms in the afternoon. Ours tend to be the reverse: heavy rain, not much lightning. Here, 4.65" over 10 days this August. 14.4" for June-August.
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Old 09-07-2014, 07:01 AM
 
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That would be the Midwest. The Midwest is the greatest waste of space.
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Old 09-15-2014, 09:14 PM
 
Location: Holly Neighborhood, AUSTINtx
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I wasn't saying you don't know your town. But, what you had said had argumentative flaws: until the above information, your evidence was anecdotal by definition; in a discussion about golf courses as a general concept, you made specific points about a specific place, Austin, TX; you implied that Austin's parks were sufficient in quantity, but had not made a statement as to their being sufficient in overall quality.

To you specific point about strip malls, even as nice as they may be, I don't care; they're plaster and asphalt and less pleasant for me--clearly, you differ, as is your right--to look at than a golf course.

Let's, you and I, be clear about one thing. I live in the Bay Area. So I understand your point about housing affordability. That said, however scarce you think housing is in Austin, in relative terms it has nothing on San Jose, which has the highest gross rents in the US. Even so, even as it eats me alive to live here, I'd rather see already built land used more efficiently than every swath of green--hyperbole, admittedly--paved over. Paving over a golf course is a drop in the bucket when the problem is the systemic underutilization of our developed lands.
Like I said before very few people here are complaining about the quality, quantity, or existential aspects of Austin parks. If you want to look up polling of Austinites and their top concerns knock yourself out, until shown otherwise I will go with the consensus as I perceive it.

If the strip malls are not to the community standards then the fault lies with the elected officials and the zoning board. I know why you brought up strip malls and that's because they are an easy target and subject to much derision. Of course we have many other types of retail here and are trending more towards mixed use projects that are anything but eyesores. Generally speaking consumers don't want to shop at unattractive retail outlets if given a choice.

Of course we can also xeriscape our strip malls and install rain water capture systems in drought-stricken Central Texas. Would you like a xeriscaped golf course? Or even a golf course that doesn't have a sprinkler system?

Hey I admit that golf courses are not the ugliest land use there is aside from their artificialness and, quite often, clashing with surrounding environments, e.g. Arizona golf courses in the middle of the desert.

Yes, Bay Area is more expensive but incomes are also much higher! And I don't think it is a drop in the bucket when you consider cities that have multiple municipal golf courses on land that hypothetically could be zoned very high.

I'm not against golf courses but just like race tracks and airports, for admittedly other reasons, they do not belong anywhere near the central core.
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Old 09-17-2014, 04:47 PM
 
Location: North by Northwest
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I'm not against golf courses but just like race tracks and airports, for admittedly other reasons, they do not belong anywhere near the central core.
They very rarely are. They're usually in outlying city neighborhoods that were once suburbs and suburbs that were once farmland. If an old relic of a course happens to already be near an urban center, there's no reason to get rid of it unless market forces dictate as such.
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Old 09-23-2014, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Holly Neighborhood, AUSTINtx
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They very rarely are. They're usually in outlying city neighborhoods that were once suburbs and suburbs that were once farmland. If an old relic of a course happens to already be near an urban center, there's no reason to get rid of it unless market forces dictate as such.

The golf course in question is 1.7 miles from Austin's CDB so it is very much in the core. Bringing up the annexation layer it only says it was part of the city prior to 1946.

It's a $500M-$1B piece of land generating $1-2M gross revenues per year. I don't see how that makes sense from a strictly business POV. And then we have opportunity costs as annual property taxes lost, just for the land before any development, are on the order of $12-$25M.
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Old 09-24-2014, 02:41 PM
 
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This thread reminds of the film Falling Down.

Falling Down (passing through golf course) - YouTube
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Old 09-24-2014, 03:30 PM
 
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And I don't think it is a drop in the bucket when you consider cities that have multiple municipal golf courses on land that hypothetically could be zoned very high.
Could be zoned high, but so could the surrounding land. Often, neither case is true, even as demand may warrant it. And, as I've mentioned, the systemic problem is usually persistent under-zoning in the face of high demand. Solve the underlying zoning problem and the pressure on open land drops.

But what's dense to you? 7k ppsm? 10k? 15k?

Let's say an 18-hole course is 150 acres. Let's say it's zoned to 10k ppsm. That's an additional 2k residents, roughly. 15k ppsm yields 3,500. That's not nothing, but it's indeed a drop in the bucket in the bay area. And, worse, many muni courses are 9 holes played through twice, halving the yields from conversion to residential.
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