U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Urban Planning
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
Old 03-29-2013, 12:03 AM
 
Location: Monmouth County, NJ & Staten Island, NY
407 posts, read 408,145 times
Reputation: 661

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by cisco kid View Post
so now you're resorting to ad hominems? your desperation and frustration is showing. though I can understand why. it must be hard work trying to defend the indefensible. golf courses are a relic of the 20th century, like big box stores and shopping malls are on their way out and will go the way of the dinosaur soon enough. and no one will miss them.
Lol, ad hominems? It's called humor...

And believe me, I am neither frustrated nor desperate for anything, especially not on an internet forum....though it could almost seem a little desperate to have run out of normal places like homes, commercial buildings, parking lots, highways and shopping malls to bash, hence you resorted to golf courses. I mean honestly, I could give a crap about golf...never played it, don't have much interest in it. But that being said, it is not right or even rational to tell other people that they shouldn't be able to a) build courses and b) play golf, just as the same shouldn't be said to anyone about any other single-use facility that takes up "too much" space in any one person's opinion. Nothing which you feel that I'm defending actually needs defending in my opinion, since thankfully the majority of society builds and does what they want and how they want it.

See, honestly I didn't even have to write such a response, since your post and argument are completely invalid thanks you your frequent sweeping generalizations, such as "and no one will miss them". I think that would be totally cool if you really did your homework and asked EVERYBODY IN THE WORLD and got the same response....must've been quite the adventure, traveling and all.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 03-29-2013, 08:57 AM
 
Location: The Port City is rising.
8,816 posts, read 10,724,179 times
Reputation: 2523
Quote:
Originally Posted by HandsUpThumbsDown View Post
Ours were on the outskirts of town when built 80-120 years ago; their location now is rather central.

Upon further resarch our five (thought it was three) municipal city courses appear to be funded by some slushy mix of quasi-public non-profit funding and tax dollars.

I do not wish to see them all repurposed, but I do not think supporting FIVE of them with city resources is the best use of our property tax revenue. I'm not really interested in subsidizing the golf game of folks who don't live in the city, as most users do not.

this makes sense.

Where I live theres a golf course that wants to expand their clubhouse, and needs a variance to do so - Arlington County has extracted from them a bike trail across the course in exchange (which will fill in a key gap in the biking network).

What if all centrally located golf courses allowed one bike trail across their property?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-29-2013, 10:08 AM
 
Location: North Baltimore ----> Seattle
6,473 posts, read 11,112,325 times
Reputation: 3117
I'd like that.

I also read somewhere about repurposing landfills for golf courses. Big opportunity there for real lame golf "trash" talking.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-29-2013, 04:03 PM
 
4,023 posts, read 3,269,945 times
Reputation: 2924
Quote:
Originally Posted by cisco kid View Post

unlike golf courses baseball diamonds and football fields have multiple uses and don't require nearly as much space. they can be utilized by many more people at a time in a much smaller area. you can fit 10 to 20 baseball diamonds inside of one golf course. baseball, football, soccer, etc are all physically demanding sports so there are obvious health benefits unlike golf which is just a pointless waste of time and precious limited resources.

Correction: the above estimate is way off.

a Major League baseball field is 2 acres.
an NFL football field is about 1 acre.
an 18 hole golf course is approx. 150 acres.


therefore, 75 Major League baseball fields, or 150 NFL football fields, could fit inside of a single standard 18 hole golf course. gives you an idea of the ridiculous amounts of land and resources being consumed by these monster-size golf courses. and all that grass has to be watered and mowed every single day which can be a tremendous drain on the local water supply. for the golf ball to roll smoothly the height of the grass has to be kept 1/8 inch tall. can you imagine the amount of labor, water and fuel needed to maintain 150 acres of grass at this abnormally low height? its absurd. then there's the chemical fertilizers, pesticides, herbicides that have to be dumped monthly. it goes on and on. these things are a toxic and polluting environmental disaster.



How Tall Is Golf Grass? | eHow.com
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-29-2013, 04:58 PM
Status: "Summer!" (set 26 days ago)
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
87,020 posts, read 102,689,903 times
Reputation: 33083
I think golf courses do provide some open space. The one near my childhood home had some lovely trees and such. The one near DH's childhood home was part of a public park.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-29-2013, 05:04 PM
 
Location: M I N N E S O T A
14,800 posts, read 17,735,011 times
Reputation: 9029
Sometimes they have the homes right in the middle of the golf course.

like this,

Google Maps

Last edited by iNviNciBL3; 03-29-2013 at 05:15 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-29-2013, 06:12 PM
 
4,023 posts, read 3,269,945 times
Reputation: 2924
Quote:
Originally Posted by KeepRightPassLeft View Post
I mean honestly, I could give a crap about golf...never played it, don't have much interest in it.

But that being said, it is not right or even rational to tell other people that they shouldn't be able to a) build courses and b) play golf, just as the same shouldn't be said to anyone about any other single-use facility that takes up "too much" space in any one person's opinion.
developers don't have the right to do whatever they want, or at least shouldn't. as voters and taxpaying citizens we have a right to tell City Hall what can and cannot be built in our communities. we live in a democracy after all do we not? especially when the golf courses are being subsidized by the majority of those in the community like you and I who have zero interest in playing golf at all. we certainly have the right to say no to it. I for one certainly do not want to be subsidizing private and municipal golf courses that all too often end up turning into money-losing white elephant welfare cases that depend on taxpayer dollars, free access to public water resources, etc. to keep them in operation. but I guess you might be okay with that right?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-29-2013, 11:14 PM
 
Location: North by Northwest
7,442 posts, read 9,893,589 times
Reputation: 4691
A few things about golf:

Golf is a thinking man's game; it requires an immense amount of strategizing that must shift not only according to the endless permutations and combinations of ball placement on the course, but wind speed, turf conditions, etc. etc. No two golf courses are the same; not even two rounds of golf on the same course are the same. Golf also serves as great vehicle for teaching life skills, as evidenced by the immense success of the First Tee program.

Golf is popular not just with the wealthy, but the middle class and even working poor; municipal golf courses in urban areas like New York, Philadelphia, Baltimore, etc. etc. are filled with self-taught, salt-of-the-earth blue collar types, many of whom play a fantastic game.

Golf courses are not just out in rural areas and "sprawling" suburbs. Courses abound in and around "charming" inner suburbs and even higher-density city neighborhoods. Bala Golf Club and Torresdale-Frankford Country Club in Philadelphia come to mind.

Golf is a very old game that dates to 15th-century Scotland. That's before post-war suburbanization, that's before the automobile, that's even before the Industrial Revolution. In any event, golf is not going anywhere, though smaller, more compact "classic-style" courses may become more common in response to "smarter" urban planning. After several years of modest decline, golf is starting to pick back up in popularity again (it hit a "low" of ~26 million in 2010) as we're beginning to bounce back from the recession.

Last edited by ElijahAstin; 03-29-2013 at 11:24 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-30-2013, 12:52 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
14,018 posts, read 17,759,876 times
Reputation: 32309
Default Eyesore?

Quote:
Originally Posted by cisco kid View Post
golf courses eat up far more land than any other sport (if you can call it a sport) and can't be used for anything but playing golf. they are a totally useless eyesore.
I do not play golf, and I have no particular brief for golf courses. But what a give-away of a true-believer's fanaticism. Attractive, green areas are an "eyesore"? An inefficient use of land is not the same as an eyesore. An offense to your sense that the supreme virtue is density is not the same as an eyesore. I'm sure you would call the gardens surrounding the Palace of Versailles an eyesore because they take a lot of expense to maintain and King Louis XIV maintained them on the backs of the common people. But the truth is they are beautiful and they are one reason people still visit that palace to this day.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-30-2013, 09:59 AM
 
4,023 posts, read 3,269,945 times
Reputation: 2924
Quote:
Originally Posted by Escort Rider View Post
I do not play golf, and I have no particular brief for golf courses. But what a give-away of a true-believer's fanaticism. Attractive, green areas are an "eyesore"?
attractive for who? sure if you can afford the $100 average entrance fee. and you have to bring your own equipment and set of golf clubs which will cost you hundreds more. paying $50 to $200 a pop for the 'privilege' of hitting around a little ball with a stick for a day seems pretty ludicrous to me. not many can afford to do that. and the aesthetics are questionable at best considering golf courses are little more than massively overgrown lawns that have a very sterile and artificial fake appearance about them.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Escort Rider View Post
An inefficient use of land is not the same as an eyesore.
no argument there.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Escort Rider View Post
I'm sure you would call the gardens surrounding the Palace of Versailles an eyesore because they take a lot of expense to maintain and King Louis XIV maintained them on the backs of the common people. But the truth is they are beautiful and they are one reason people still visit that palace to this day.

comparing the magnificent intricately landscaped gardens at the Palace of Versailles to a lame golf course? good one lol. that would be an insult to Louis the XIV and the French.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Urban Planning
Similar Threads
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

2005-2019, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top