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Old 03-22-2013, 12:18 PM
 
Location: North Baltimore ----> Seattle
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There are only so many pretentious restaurants that one can open in any given city that will survive a few years, especially at exhorbitant prices. In this day and age, few people can afford to eat out all the time..
Not all pretentious restaurants are expensive.
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Old 03-22-2013, 02:20 PM
 
Location: "Daytonnati"
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Florida's rebuttal is pretty good and he zeros in on somehting about Kotkin that bugged me but I couldnt put my finger on, the spin.
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Old 03-22-2013, 02:28 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Florida came to Dayton twice. His initial lecture blew away the movers and shakers, and they brought him back for a consultancy gig.
And what does he say?

Okay, listen up Macon, GA. Look at San Francisco. They've got gays. They've got artists. They've got liberals. Ever notice that cities with gays, artists and liberals tend to have a lot of rich people? Yep. Mmm hmm. I see those heads nodding. I knew I wasn't the only one. So throw up some gay pride banners. Get some kids out and slap some murals up on those walls. Convert some old industrial buildings into lofts. And pass a resolution supporting same-sex marriage. Then sit back and watch the Creatives come in!
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Old 03-22-2013, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Vallejo
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And what does he say?

Okay, listen up Macon, GA. Look at San Francisco. They've got gays. They've got artists. They've got liberals. Ever notice that cities with gays, artists and liberals tend to have a lot of rich people? Yep. Mmm hmm. I see those heads nodding. I knew I wasn't the only one. So throw up some gay pride banners. Get some kids out and slap some murals up on those walls. Convert some old industrial buildings into lofts. And pass a resolution supporting same-sex marriage. Then sit back and watch the Creatives come in!
I don't know much about him, so I'm just making a general comment. And that comment is that there is a huge divide between academics (Florida, Kotkin) and policy makers. Crossing over into a consulting world would seem to suggest the Florida made that jump at least to some degree, but I'm really not aware of how. I mean, was he really to any degree involved in the nuts and bolts details of how to attract Creative Class or just in a more abstract way of saying this is a worth while goal for you (policy makers) to enact? I'd suspect the latter.

Kind of reminds me of Donald Shoup and the SF Park pilot program. Everyone on the academic side of urban parking policies has generally just taken it as an assumption that parking in cities is under priced. What SF Park demonstrated, however, is that it's actually the opposite. Parking in most of San Francisco is actually over priced.
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Old 03-22-2013, 02:49 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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I don't know much about him, so I'm just making a general comment. And that comment is that there is a huge divide between academics (Florida, Kotkin) and policy makers. Crossing over into a consulting world would seem to suggest the Florida made that jump at least to some degree, but I'm really not aware of how. I mean, was he really to any degree involved in the nuts and bolts details of how to attract Creative Class or just in a more abstract way of saying this is a worth while goal for you (policy makers) to enact? I'd suspect the latter.
What policy? Get more gays. More artists. More liberals. It seems that he's got correlation and causation all mixed up.

I wonder if I can start my own consulting firm and advise people on how to acquire more material possessions. My advice?

Become wealthy
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Old 03-22-2013, 03:19 PM
 
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I actually thought Florida came out ahead in his rebuttal.
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Old 03-22-2013, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Vallejo
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What policy? Get more gays. More artists. More liberals. It seems that he's got correlation and causation all mixed up.

I wonder if I can start my own consulting firm and advise people on how to acquire more material possessions. My advice?

Become wealthy
Policy of attracting Creative Class. Which is a hell of a lot more than artists, gays, or liberals. I'm more libertarian than liberal, definitely not an artist, and last I checked was completely heterosexual. I'm definitely Creative Class, however.
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Old 03-22-2013, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Ypsilanti
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Interesting in that you want to observe them and how losing 90% of your population can look, or interesting in that you actually would want to live there?
Who is this question for?
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Old 03-22-2013, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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Policy of attracting Creative Class. Which is a hell of a lot more than artists, gays, or liberals. I'm more libertarian than liberal, definitely not an artist, and last I checked was completely heterosexual. I'm definitely Creative Class, however.
Seems like just about everyone with a college degree is - my lawyer wife is in the creative class, though an attorney is not really that "creative" or "artsy" of a position (though maybe she gets "creative" with the law ).

Richard Florida did a series of articles on what census tracts are majority creative, working and service class. I was really surprised to see my tract is majority service (by a wide margin - in fact it was one of the top 10 service class tracts I think like 69% of the population) - must be all those out of work comedians
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Old 03-22-2013, 04:34 PM
 
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Seems like just about everyone with a college degree is - my lawyer wife is in the creative class, though an attorney is not really that "creative" or "artsy" of a position (though maybe she gets "creative" with the law ).

Richard Florida did a series of articles on what census tracts are majority creative, working and service class. I was really surprised to see my tract is majority service (by a wide margin - in fact it was one of the top 10 service class tracts I think like 69% of the population) - must be all those out of work comedians
Do you have any links for those? From what I've read by Florida, it seems creative class is anything non-service or working class related job that is in the quartenary sector. They don't necessarily have to be artist, but their work revolves around knowledge and ideas.
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