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View Poll Results: Will there be more or fewer auto-related fataties in the 21st century compared to the 20th?
more 14 34.15%
fewer 27 65.85%
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Old 03-27-2013, 11:17 PM
 
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Factor contributing to more deaths in automobile accidents: People are living longer so there are more seniors behind the wheel. Don't think this is a problem? Talk to anyone who lives in south Florida!
I see this one being a biggie in the next 30 years as many of the aging baby boomers outgrow their ability to drive.
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Old 03-28-2013, 05:12 AM
 
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I've been in two major car accidents including a rollover, and I've been jailed as a result of a stop for speeding, and I still drive and prefer it to transit.
You also said that you aren't a social person. That probably influences your choice more than experience.
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Old 03-28-2013, 05:41 AM
 
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You also said that you aren't a social person. That probably influences your choice more than experience.
Probably not. There are plenty of extraverts who drive like maniacs and tailgate, etc. and somehow I don't think that an accident or a ticket will deter them much. There was an article a few year's back in the New York Times (I think) that featured a study where the conclusion was that although getting a ticket will cause an aggressive driver to become more conservative, the effect is only temporary, and the aggressive driver will never be as conservative as a driver who already had that temperament to begin with.

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I see this one being a biggie in the next 30 years as many of the aging baby boomers outgrow their ability to drive.
That is an issue, but can be mitigated if the Boomers have enough sense to take public transit when they can no longer drive safely (the same goes for everyone, not just Boomers). Of course this assumes that public transit exists at all, but one can hope that by that time there will be more options available or that Boomers will move to places that have public transit. A side effect of the Baby Boom that is seldom discussed is that after they die off there will be less seniors on the road, which should decrease fatalities if all other things remain equal (which we all know they won't).

On most of the other points I agree with KeepRightPassLeft.
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Old 03-28-2013, 08:16 AM
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I wish they would break that down with the number of SUV deaths. Just from my experience driving all over America's highways, it seems that so many big wrecks are SUVs running off roads and are flipped over. They are so dangerous and have such a high center of gravity in comparison to cars. One has to wonder if people would stop driving them, the death toll would decrease. Driving a good car that handles well and brakes well while cornering/avoiding certainly would help.
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Old 03-28-2013, 09:16 AM
 
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Statistics, people... statistics.

How exactly did you determine that "we're not off to a great start"? What do these numbers mean? How does this relate to miles driven, number of drivers, number of cars on the road, total number of non fatal crashes, etc?
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Old 03-28-2013, 01:27 PM
 
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I was curious to see how many people in the US have died in automobile accidents since they were introduced in our society, and while I already knew there were a lot, the numbers were pretty astounding:

List of motor vehicle deaths in U.S. by year - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

1899-1909: 3,580
1910-1919: 60,618
1920-1929: 200,121
1930-1939: 325,549
1940-1949: 294,828
1950-1959: 357,802
1960-1969: 454,007
1970-1979: 498,356
1980-1989: 460,154
1990-1999: 415,336

2000-2009: 410,838
2010-2012: 134,386

1899-2012: 3,615,575

Do you think there will be more auto-realated deaths this century than in the 20th?

Is there anything that will significantly reduce the number of these fatalities?

I know that cars and roads are relatively safer than they used to be, but based on the numbers we're not off to such a great start in the 2000's.

But for the cost/benefit expense, we have the technological ability to prevent car collisions, drunk driving, accidents related to driver error now. With the way things have been going recently (out-law: 32 ounces of soda; smoking in restaurants; mandatory seat belt laws; bad cooking fats) pretty soon the government is just going to mandate idiot proof cars and smart roadways or outlaw private transportation altogether. Seems the government just keeps occupying more and more space.
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Old 03-28-2013, 01:27 PM
 
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Statistics, people... statistics.

How exactly did you determine that "we're not off to a great start"? What do these numbers mean? How does this relate to miles driven, number of drivers, number of cars on the road, total number of non fatal crashes, etc?
By "not off to a great start" I mean that so far this century it's only taken us 13 years to kill half a million people. Sure, there are a lot more people in the country now and a lot more people are driving, but does that make the number any better? If a nuke was dropped on a small city in China and killed a million people would you say "Oh, that's not bad, that's only .07% of their population!" ?

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Old 03-28-2013, 01:39 PM
 
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I wish they would break that down with the number of SUV deaths. Just from my experience driving all over America's highways, it seems that so many big wrecks are SUVs running off roads and are flipped over. They are so dangerous and have such a high center of gravity in comparison to cars. One has to wonder if people would stop driving them, the death toll would decrease. Driving a good car that handles well and brakes well while cornering/avoiding certainly would help.
...as a road monitor. Most of the fatal accidents I saw involved small cars just running off the road into something or compacting like a Chinese lanterns against bigger SUVs. Its just physics.

Besides the weight, I was told that SUVs are basically trucks with solid metal frames wherein the subcompacts are "unibody." Ever hear the expression, "Like a hot knife through butter!? Like that.


Unibody Vs. Full Frame Crash - YouTube
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Old 03-29-2013, 08:35 PM
 
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I wish they would break that down with the number of SUV deaths. Just from my experience driving all over America's highways, it seems that so many big wrecks are SUVs running off roads and are flipped over. They are so dangerous and have such a high center of gravity in comparison to cars. One has to wonder if people would stop driving them, the death toll would decrease. Driving a good car that handles well and brakes well while cornering/avoiding certainly would help.
How original, another suv rant.
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Old 03-31-2013, 06:04 AM
 
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I wish they would break that down with the number of SUV deaths. Just from my experience driving all over America's highways, it seems that so many big wrecks are SUVs running off roads and are flipped over. They are so dangerous and have such a high center of gravity in comparison to cars. One has to wonder if people would stop driving them, the death toll would decrease. Driving a good car that handles well and brakes well while cornering/avoiding certainly would help.
Since fatality rates have continued to fall after the introduction of SUVs, they can't be that much of a problem. Also, studies have shown that all things considered ordinary SUVs are about as safe as ordinary sedans. Since SUV drivers nearly always have full control of the vehicle, including while cornering, I don't see how they could be "so dangerous".

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By "not off to a great start" I mean that so far this century it's only taken us 13 years to kill half a million people. Sure, there are a lot more people in the country now and a lot more people are driving, but does that make the number any better? If a nuke was dropped on a small city in China and killed a million people would you say "Oh, that's not bad, that's only .07% of their population!" ?
That's essentially murder, which is not comparable to accidental deaths, which is what we're discussing here. Also, I've never heard of a city whose entire population was wiped out by car accidents. You need to look at the rates, not the raw numbers. If there are more people and they're driving more and the accident/fatality rate stays the same there will be more fatalities, which would give a false impression of "Oh, look how unsafe the roads are! More people than ever are being killed!" when in fact they would be as safe as ever, i.e. the level of risk remained constant.
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