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Old 04-15-2013, 01:01 PM
 
Location: The Port City is rising.
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The articles that Octa posted about this issue on the education thread used Denver as a shining example of neighborhood preference for charters. While that's a little over-hyped, it is true that they do so. It's also done at some charters in the Boulder Valley (Boulder and suburbs) School district. It's not controversial b/c no one ever tried to make it a controversy.

In DC it is controversial. DC has both "generalist" charters and highly specialized charters (for example Chinese immersion) The generalist charters are, IIUC, concentrated in the poorer parts of the cities, where conventional public school enrollment has declined dramatically. There are a range of different economic, racial, and educational fault lines implicated by the choice of neighborhood preference vs cityway lottery for preference, and in DC there is a fair amount of tension over such fault lines.

Favoring local residents would undermine charter schools - Greater Greater Washington

Don't favor local kids in charter admissions, says task force - Greater Greater Washington

Level the playing field for charters and neighborhood schools - Greater Greater Washington
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Old 04-15-2013, 06:34 PM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I didn't know where to post this. I tried posting it on the "Richard Florida" thread and no one responded. I'm reposting it here. This is a very interesting article about population demographics in the Denver metro area.

Adams County drawing residents from across the metro area - The Denver Post
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I didn't know where to post this. I tried posting it on the "Richard Florida" thread and no one responded. I'm reposting it here. This is a very interesting article about population demographics in the Denver metro area.

Adams County drawing residents from across the metro area - The Denver Post
I read the link earlier, the statistics were interesting, but I didn't find them particularly surprising.
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Old 04-15-2013, 06:43 PM
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I read the link earlier, the statistics were interesting, but I didn't find them particularly surprising.
You don't find it surprising that 30 somethings and their kids are moving out of the city for less expensive digs? I thought that went against everything that the urban advocates were saying, that people were moving to the cities to stay "this time".
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Old 04-15-2013, 06:58 PM
 
Location: North Baltimore ----> Seattle
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The southwest side of Adams County is closer to downtown Denver than most of Denver is to downtown. So it's probably more "in town" than the far reaches of the city. Interesting geography!

Looks like 5-10 mile bike ride on dedicated paths to downtown Denver in spots. Not bad. Looks very industrial in spots, perhaps that has something to do with the affordable housing.
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Old 04-15-2013, 07:02 PM
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You don't find it surprising that 30 somethings and their kids are moving out of the city for less expensive digs? I thought that went against everything that the urban advocates were saying, that people were moving to the cities to stay "this time".
Not at all, I've seen some of the numbers a while back. The general pattern has been families with children tend to move out. If less do than before, then slightly more [white middle-class] families would be in cities, so in a relative sense that may be happening. But once a city gets expensive enough, families will leave because they need for space. Boston appears to be trending to San Francisco levels of childless-ness.

The article also neglected immigration. If you looked at out-migration to other metro counties, this neighborhood would be a huge negative exporter of people. But the child population is increasing at roughly the same rate as the population overall, old-time white families are being replaced by immigrant families. The children are no longer mostly white, but a mix of white, asian and some hispanics.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/pdf/lucds/bk11profile.pdf [see page 4]
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Old 04-15-2013, 07:30 PM
 
Location: Vallejo
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You don't find it surprising that 30 somethings and their kids are moving out of the city for less expensive digs? I thought that went against everything that the urban advocates were saying, that people were moving to the cities to stay "this time".
A greater percentage are... but it's a small shift. Debating anything quantative with the types that insist otherwise is an exercise is futility. Even if a larger than small shift wanted to, there's simply not room. San Francisco and Oakland have a little over 1.2 million. Even if you throw in San Jose (which is really more suburban than urban), it's still less than 2.2 million. The San Jose-San Francisco-Oaklanda CSA has nearly 8.4 million. You have to be daft to argue that anything close to ALL 20-30 somethings are moving to and staying in cities... not that people aren't.
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Old 04-15-2013, 07:31 PM
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@nei: It's possible the online version didn't have all the graphics, etc that the hard copy did. (Yeah, we're troglodytes who actually get a "Sunday paper"!) They did mention, in one of their graphics that immigration and something else, I can't remember what, keep both Denver and Boulder growing despite so many people leaving those counties. (Denver is a separate county.) My paper is in the recycling; it may even have been burned up as we had a fire in the fireplace last night. We have about 10" of snow on the ground today.
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Old 04-15-2013, 07:59 PM
 
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Hey some young folks get the Sunday paper too!
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Old 04-15-2013, 08:22 PM
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Hey some young folks get the Sunday paper too!
It's been a tradition for DH and I since our marriage 33 years ago.
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