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Old 04-17-2013, 07:44 AM
 
Location: North Baltimore ----> Seattle
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Denver feels safe?
It did to me.
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Old 04-17-2013, 08:15 AM
 
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Surprised by Milwaukee, its either safer than i thought it was or maybe the residents are more tough and street smart and don't get scared walking around the hood.?
It's safer than you think. I know other Minnesota residents like you that have an unusual fear of Milwaukee.
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Old 04-17-2013, 08:20 AM
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Denver feels safe?
Heck, yeah!
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Old 04-17-2013, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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Since it's by metro and Philly has relatively few dangerous/decaying suburbs, I don't find it odd at all
Yeah it's just the neighborhoods that are dangerous & decaying
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Old 04-17-2013, 08:51 AM
 
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It's cute that you think this is clever.


Since it's by metro and Philly has relatively few dangerous/decaying suburbs, I don't find it odd at all. The results have a very narrow spread, though. Factoring in margin of error, most of them are effectively the same.

Minneapolis did feel extremely safe to me, though. I really like that while it's a clean city, it doesn't feel the least bit sterile.
Philly has LOTS of decaying CITY neighborhoods...in spite of your attempts to tip-toe around it..
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Old 04-17-2013, 09:39 AM
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Location: Long Island / NYC
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I also find it odd that LA is considered significantly more unsafe than NYC, because Los Angeles has a slightly lower crime rate than New York.
By murder rate, New York City is slightly lower (larger difference last year). Other crimes may be higher, but there's an issue of reporting / classification problems. Murder is usually the least violent random crime but other violent crimes are generally correlated with murder, anyway. Either way the difference between the two cities isn't huge.

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Again though, I wouldn't be surprised if by MSA Los Angeles is a bit higher crime, since it has more downscale first-ring suburbs than New York.
True, but New York City takes up a greater % of MSA than Los Angeles does. And New York City has a number old, somewhat gritty areas outside of the city limits (Hudson County, NJ, Newark, southern Westchester, etc.) At least within much of the city limits, you'd find far people walking out at night in New York City, which should improve safety perceptions. Except New York City residents (except for maybe transplants) aren't comparing themselves to other places, their judging based on their standards. The murder rate stats per metro are given here:

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It does, just take a look at their metropolitan homicide rate: FBI

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Murder Rate by Metropolitans (MSA):
01. New Orleans-Metairie-Kenner, LA 23.7
02. Memphis, TN-MS-AR 10.6
03. Detroit-Warren-Livonia, MI 9.7
04. Baltimore-Towson, MD 9.4
05. Birmingham-Hoover, AL 8.9
06. Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD 8.1
07. Kansas City, MO-KS 7.9
08. St. Louis, MO-IL 7.6
09. Virginia Beach-Norfolk-Newport News, VA-NC 6.6
10. Chicago-Joliet-Naperville, IL-IN-WI 6.4
10. Jacksonville, FL 6.4
12. Oklahoma City, OK 6.2
13. Indianapolis-Carmel, IN 6.1
13. Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL 6.1
15. Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Marietta, GA 6.0
15. San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA 6.0
17. Milwaukee-Waukesha-West Allis, WI 5.9
18. Columbus, OH 5.7
19. Orlando-Kissimmee-Sanford, FL 5.6
19. Richmond, VA 5.6
21. Houston-Sugar Land-Baytown, TX 5.4
22. San Antonio-New Braunfels, TX 5.1
23. Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana, CA 4.9
23. Nashville-Davidson-Murfreesboro-Franklin, TN 4.9
23. Phoenix-Mesa-Glendale, AZ 4.9
26. Charlotte-Gastonia-Rock Hill, NC-SC 4.8
26. Cleveland-Elyria-Mentor, OH 4.8
28. Las Vegas-Paradise, NV 4.7
28. Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, FL 4.7
30. Cincinnati-Middletown, OH-KY-IN 4.6
31. Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX 4.5
31. New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-PA 4.5
33. Louisville/Jefferson County, KY-IN 4.4
33. Sacramento-Arden-Arcade-Roseville, CA 4.4
33. Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV 4.4
36. Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA 4.3
37. Rochester, NY 4.1
38. Buffalo-Niagara Falls, NY 3.9
39. Pittsburgh, PA 3.8
40. Hartford-West Hartford-East Hartford, CT 3.5
41. San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA 3.3
42. Austin-Round Rock-San Marcos, TX 2.9
43. Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA-NH 2.8
44. Denver-Aurora-Broomfield, CO 2.7
45. Raleigh-Cary, NC 2.6
45. San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos, CA 2.6
47. Portland-Vancouver-Hillsboro, OR-WA 2.1
47. Salt Lake City, UT 2.1
47. Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue, WA 2.1
50. Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington, MN-WI 1.8

San Francisco may be better off but some other areas in it's metropolitan, not as much. Essentially only 0.4% difference between it and Chicagoland. Which isn't much.
Agreeing with the OP, Minneapolis is the lowest on the list. Even if it's city proper has a higher crime rate the rest of the metro doesn't. Denver is near the bottom as well and Riverside higher than both. But Seattle and Philadelphia is nowhere similar. New York City is slightly lower than Los Angeles MSA-wise. Looking at the whole metro also seems to fit with perceptions a bit better. In NY state, some of the upstate cities have a murder rate several times higher than New York City. By metro, the upstate metros actually are a bit better, the difference is from the upstate cities taking up a smaller % of the metro.

Whether murder rates determine safety perception is another issue.
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Old 04-17-2013, 09:46 AM
 
Location: North Baltimore ----> Seattle
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Whether murder rates determine safety perception is another issue.
I think they do.
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Old 04-17-2013, 09:56 AM
 
Location: North by Northwest
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Philly has LOTS of decaying CITY neighborhoods...in spite of your attempts to tip-toe around it..
75% of Greater Philadelphians live outside the city. The decaying city neighborhoods are easy to avoid, but that's beside the point. According to this list you put so much stock in, Philly feels safer than safer than San Francisco, Seattle, San Diego, Nashville...
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Old 04-17-2013, 10:20 AM
 
Location: North Baltimore ----> Seattle
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75% of Greater Philadelphians live outside the city. The decaying city neighborhoods are easy to avoid, but that's beside the point.
I disagree. If it is, it shouldn't be.
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Old 04-17-2013, 10:51 AM
 
Location: North by Northwest
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I disagree. If it is, it shouldn't be.
It is beside the point if my point is that this list is next to useless. Read the full 50.
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