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Old 08-13-2013, 11:07 AM
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(Because Google finally expanded their coverage of some Ohio cities, I'll probably post a lot of these, in the future. )
They've expanded their coverage of some of Massachusetts. I'm on google streetview now, not telling where. So is my street parked car!

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For anyone interested, this is a section of Youngstown that was never developed, although infrastructure was laid out during the 50s, in anticipation of further development.
Odd. You can tell the streets were laid in some sorta plan but much of it is woods. Nice natural spot?
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Old 08-13-2013, 11:32 AM
 
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They've expanded their coverage of some of Massachusetts. I'm on google streetview now, not telling where. So is my street parked car!
Ha! So am I, somewhere in Youngstown.

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Odd. You can tell the streets were laid in some sorta plan but much of it is
woods. Nice natural spot?
Are you asking? Because, while it might be nice most of the time--if you're into the rural living thing, you might wake up one morning to find a pile of garbage at the edge of your property. Some unscrupulous people will clean out a house or apartment, and dump the garbage in these secluded areas, instead of paying to dispose of it properly at a landfill. The city is trying to combat this with hidden surveillance cameras in the most common dumping areas, though.
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Old 08-13-2013, 11:43 AM
 
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At best, I think we would end up with a gradation from hyper-urban (Hong Kong) to emptiness (most of Nevada), eg, the urban-rural transects. Defining urban and suburban seems an exercise is futility. One is always defined as not the other, and always as a comparison of one example place to another.
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Old 08-13-2013, 11:51 AM
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At best, I think we would end up with a gradation from hyper-urban (Hong Kong) to emptiness (most of Nevada), eg, the urban-rural transects. Defining urban and suburban seems an exercise is futility. One is always defined as not the other, and always as a comparison of one example place to another.
Agreed, though at some point a place would be obviously urban, though it would end getting based on background. For the NYC metro, I defined 4 levels:

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By density, it looks the NYC metro could be divided this way:

I) Manhattan, blocks of 5-6 story buildings with no setback, often with mid-rise buildings mixed in. Some neighborhoods have high rises as well. A road lined with stores on the first floor of these buildings are almost always within 1-2 blocks away. Parts of the West Bronx is at a similar density.

II) Outer Borough subway neighborhoods. Mostly from 40,000 - 75,000 people per square mile, much of the building stock is attached 3-4 story attached homes with some higher (see above) and lower density housing mixed in.

III) Outer borough neighborhoods away from the subway. Lower density sections aren't too different from older inner-ring suburbs and are often thought as "suburban", especially by those living in parts I & II. Much of it is detached homes, but still denser and with more apartment buildings and attached homes than developments further out. Only transit is buses and low frequency commuter rail, but still has high transit usage for American standards.

IV) Newer, lower density suburbia, almost all outside the city limits. Detached homes have larger lots than (III), many older suburbs belong with (III).
While it's soley by density, the breaks between each group feel a bit obvious., though the lower end of III is a bit ambiguous.
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Old 08-13-2013, 07:27 PM
 
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perfect analysis...
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Old 08-14-2013, 10:20 AM
 
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What we need is a "hot or not" for the urban and suburban neighborhoods: see two random photos and decide which is more urban.
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Old 08-15-2013, 09:09 AM
 
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What we need is a "hot or not" for the urban and suburban neighborhoods: see two random photos and decide which is more urban.
What about this: https://maps.google.com/maps?q=kenmo...156.13,,0,9.91

vs. this: https://maps.google.com/maps?q=roche...,48.83,,0,6.65
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Old 08-15-2013, 09:16 AM
 
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both look sort of in the middle to me, like street car suburbs if you will

Rochester has some pretty cool housing stock based on a quick perusal of your links, good stuff
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Old 08-15-2013, 09:18 AM
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I'd go with the Kenmore neighborhood. Upstate cities are harder to judge than downstate NY, the difference in types is more subtle.
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Old 08-15-2013, 09:40 AM
 
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I'd go with the Kenmore neighborhood. Upstate cities are harder to judge than downstate NY, the difference in types is more subtle.
Interesting and I did this on purpose. Kenmore is actually a suburban village adjacent to Buffalo. It is 1.4 square miles, but has over 15,000 people. That puts it in the top 100 for municipality density in the US.

That Rochester neighborhood is in or close to the East Avenue or Park Avenue neighborhoods just SE of Downtown Rochester.

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