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Old 05-03-2013, 10:17 AM
 
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And to my harsh Philadelphia scowl, NOVA is as charming as Alpharetta.

The DC area is in an odd position. Southerners say it's not southern. Northerners say it's not northern. I guess that's the way it was intended to be. A perfect compromise between the two.
Northern charm and southern efficiency!

 
Old 05-03-2013, 10:18 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Northern charm and southern efficiency!
Yep.
 
Old 05-03-2013, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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but they consider it LESS northeastern than you. So they do not agree with you.
The majority voted "No." It's not that they said it's less Northeastern. They said it wasn't Northeastern at all.

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Old 05-03-2013, 10:30 AM
 
Location: Laurentia
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William Kunstler has said "Many people have bought their last automobile, they just don't know it yet."

Prophetic words?
I think most of the people who have bought their last automobile and don't know it are over 70 .

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I'm not going to even get into this discussion again. The bottom line is that most people will tell you that the DC area is neither southern nor northern. I don't see how being neither one really gets you to "It's the Northeast!"
Northern Virginia is Mid-Atlantic, not Northeast, though it is often lumped into the Northeast by virtue of the Boston-Washington corridor.

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What this means to me is that the decline in car ownership is perceived as a more broad-based phenomenon than it really is.
I agree with that. Since cars aren't the "in" thing any more, having been replaced in that capacity by computers, you should expect to see a decline in car ownership, but I don't think a dislike of cars is a secular trend. Plenty of young people like cars and many more would like to buy and drive them, but the problem is they don't have enough money to buy them and/or they don't like the current offerings. Just take one look at youth underemployment, and youth income vs. the price of cars and you can see what I'm talking about.

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It still stands to reason that the elite in China will eventually stop coveting an Audi and instead demand bike lanes and traffic calming.
Nah. When green land yachts come on the scene, that's what they'll covet .
 
Old 05-03-2013, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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to some being "carfree" doesnt just mean not owning a car, or even not renting one, now you can't even accept a ride in one.
To me, the freedom of being without a car carries with it a responsibility to arrange for your own transportation, just as owning a car carries with it a responsibility to pay for the car's upkeep and operation, and comply with corresponding laws.

If being car-free means taking public transit or walking or belonging to a car share organization, then that is taking responsibility for your choices. But arranging your day so that you can beg rides from people with cars, and not take the responsibility of sharing in the costs associated with those rides, is freeloading plain and simple. And that is what I see a lot of among the younger people I work with who do not own cars. They are not "car free" by any stretch of the imagination; they simply do not own a car.

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I haven't owned a TV since 2000. I stopped watching TV when I lived in Britain, and just never got back into the habit when I moved back to the U.S. But I have no issue with one being on when I'm visiting someone, or even turning it on for 15 minutes at a hotel.
But do you go over to your neighbor's house every day at 6:30 to watch the network news?
 
Old 05-03-2013, 10:37 AM
 
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I agree with that. Since cars aren't the "in" thing any more, having been replaced in that capacity by computers, you should expect to see a decline in car ownership, but I don't think a dislike of cars is a secular trend. Plenty of young people like cars and many more would like to buy and drive them, but the problem is they don't have enough money to buy them and/or they don't like the current offerings. Just take one look at youth underemployment, and youth income vs. the price of cars and you can see what I'm talking about.
The youth underemployment line doesn't hold though. Youth underemployment, while high, is only a few points higher than during boom times. Car sales are down by more than the increase in underemployment.
 
Old 05-03-2013, 10:40 AM
 
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To me, the freedom of being without a car carries with it a responsibility to arrange for your own transportation, just as owning a car carries with it a responsibility to pay for the car's upkeep and operation, and comply with corresponding laws.

If being car-free means taking public transit or walking or belonging to a car share organization, then that is taking responsibility for your choices. But arranging your day so that you can beg rides from people with cars, and not take the responsibility of sharing in the costs associated with those rides, is freeloading plain and simple. And that is what I see a lot of among the younger people I work with who do not own cars. They are not "car free" by any stretch of the imagination; they simply do not own a car.


But do you go over to your neighbor's house every day at 6:30 to watch the network news?
I bet he streams TV online.

Freeloading is not what is causing the trend. It's coming from the top, not the bottom. The increase in car-free is in high-rent, high-employment, high-education attainment areas. Car ownership is up in the opposite types of communities. Your pal notwithstanding.
 
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Location: Long Island / NYC
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If being car-free means taking public transit or walking or belonging to a car share organization*, then that is taking responsibility for your choices. But arranging your day so that you can beg rides from people with cars, and not take the responsibility of sharing in the costs associated with those rides, is freeloading plain and simple. And that is what I see a lot of among the younger people I work with who do not own cars. They are not "car free" by any stretch of the imagination; they simply do not own a car.
Obviously that's not taking responsibility, but I don't think anyone here has defended begging for rides. The people who live in the apartment upstairs from me; several don't own cars. They don't need them for their daily routinue. I suspect they probably get rides from their housemates, if one is going to the supermarket or some other errand or trip. Are they completely free? Probably not. But it's silly for them to own a car that they'd barely use, especially since most of the non-car owners are students.

*Add bicycling. At one time, I did avoid getting rides at times because I was proud I could get everywhere by bicycle.
 
Old 05-03-2013, 10:45 AM
 
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This is as irritating as going to Boston and hearing people use the term "northeast" as a synonym for "New England" then being told that "Philly isn't the northeast, it's the mid-atlantic."

Yeah, OK, sorry I'm not still wearing a hat and gloves in May.

The Northeast = the mid-atlantic + new england.
 
Old 05-03-2013, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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This is as irritating as going to Boston and hearing people use the term "northeast" as a synonym for "New England" then being told that "Philly isn't the northeast, it's the mid-atlantic."
The only difference is that the super overwhelming majority of people in Philly will tell you that they're in the Northeast. The most common reply you get from Washingtonians is, "We're neither." Even MDAllStar will say it's neither and he was born and raised in DC. Could there possibly be anyone more pro-Washington, DC on this forum than him?????

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As the hub of the nation's government, Washington is always home to thousands of newcomers, some of whom cling to their hometown identities. Those who arrive from the North often see the area as Southern, and those from the South feel a Northern vibe.

But Greg Carr, who grew up in Nashville, sees Southern markers here. Carr, chairman of Afro-American Studies at Howard University, said he recognizes the fading signs of the Old South in this region.

"For black folks, this is still very much a Southern city," Carr said. "D.C. has very little in common with a stereotypical Northern city."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...T2011011504186

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