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Old 05-15-2013, 12:16 AM
 
Location: San Francisco
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What about Downtown Plaza in Sacramento, Santana Row in San Jose, and Broadway Plaza in Walnut Creek? Other examples?

Are these malls tourist infested or do locals use them too?
The Domain, in Austin TX.

It seems like an awful lot of the outdoors/new urbanism malls are higher-end retail, though - Louis Vuitton, Tiffanys, Versace. I haven't been to many where someone could take their kids shopping for back-to-school clothes.
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Old 05-15-2013, 07:25 AM
 
Location: Bike to Surf!
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Why is everyone so uptight about panhandlers? Is it really so hard to look someone in the eye and say "No." or if you're feeling nice "No, sorry."? It's not like your the first person they've heard it from today.

I do it all the time. It doesn't bother me at all, it doesn't interrupt my conversations, it doesn't make me feel guilty. It's no more disruptive than some idiot tourist asking me for directions, and I tolerate that.

Monday I was buying a bacon and egg sandwich from a food cart and some guy came up asking if I would spare some change. I said "No, sorry." as I put my $18.75 in change back in my wallet. Without another word, he turned around and asked the same thing from some messenger-bag wearing hipster. Messenger bag freaked out, ducked his head, and went scampering off. WTF?

What's the issue? It's not like this is India where panhandlers and swarms of kids will mob you and stick their hands in your pockets. Some homeless guy, or some guy pretending to be homeless, isn't going to whip out a gun or a knife and start attacking at random--just because the 1000th person said "no" to him today. You have to watch our for that kind of behaviour from the passive-aggressive cube-dweller, wingnut, parking-lot road rager, or bullied-until-psycho millennial at your "safe" suburban mall.
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Old 05-15-2013, 07:33 AM
 
Location: North Baltimore ----> Seattle
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as I put my $18.75 in change back in my wallet.
I agree with your post but I am amazed at your $1.25 breakfast sandwich! What a value!
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Old 05-18-2013, 08:34 PM
 
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Why is everyone so uptight about panhandlers? Is it really so hard to look someone in the eye and say "No." or if you're feeling nice "No, sorry."? It's not like your the first person they've heard it from today.

Its probably the smell. As I said before, I dont mind them anywhere else but San Fran. They are aggressive, smell, and everywhere downtown.
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Old 05-18-2013, 11:47 PM
 
Location: M I N N E S O T A
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I am just wondering are their suburban moms and moms in general that go to downtown areas to shop? Do they feel safe? Are downtown malls just as conveniant as suburban malls?
unless if they work downtown, I doubt it.
imo, it's way more convenient to go to the suburban malls. free parking and a large variety of stores and food under one roof.
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Old 05-20-2013, 01:09 AM
 
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Why is everyone so uptight about panhandlers? Is it really so hard to look someone in the eye and say "No." or if you're feeling nice "No, sorry."? It's not like your the first person they've heard it from today.

I do it all the time. It doesn't bother me at all, it doesn't interrupt my conversations, it doesn't make me feel guilty. It's no more disruptive than some idiot tourist asking me for directions, and I tolerate that.

Monday I was buying a bacon and egg sandwich from a food cart and some guy came up asking if I would spare some change. I said "No, sorry." as I put my $18.75 in change back in my wallet. Without another word, he turned around and asked the same thing from some messenger-bag wearing hipster. Messenger bag freaked out, ducked his head, and went scampering off. WTF?

What's the issue? It's not like this is India where panhandlers and swarms of kids will mob you and stick their hands in your pockets. Some homeless guy, or some guy pretending to be homeless, isn't going to whip out a gun or a knife and start attacking at random--just because the 1000th person said "no" to him today. You have to watch our for that kind of behaviour from the passive-aggressive cube-dweller, wingnut, parking-lot road rager, or bullied-until-psycho millennial at your "safe" suburban mall.
who said panhandlers were the biggest concern? Some are drunk, some have mental disabilities and yell at people, and some have even pedofiled young kids before. One in the news the other day stole a kid's skate board.
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Old 05-21-2013, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Katy-zuela
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imo, it's way more convenient to go to the suburban malls. free parking and a large variety of stores and food under one roof.
Free parking wouldn't matter in Downtown S.F.--there's BART! I believe for downtown shopping to thrive to compete even bleed dollars from the suburbs, it needs accessible public transit, especially rapid forms such as commuter rail. Reducing the number of stores in a chain through efficiencies in transport and location/placement helps reduce the carbon footprint, conserves resources, and reduces operating expenses.
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Old 05-21-2013, 11:10 PM
 
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Westlake Center in Seattle is undergoing expansion with the addition of Zara at 31,000 square ft will only be 1,000 square ft smaller than Manhatan's Flagship store. Also Nordstroms Flagship Rack Store opened in the mall earlier in the year. So both major malls downtown seattle are doing well. Westlake is a rail hub for the monorail, and the light rail.
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Old 05-22-2013, 04:39 PM
 
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FWIW, on one of your original examples, most of downtown Sacramento's mall is becoming slated to become the new Kings arena. A pretty steady decline since the last renovation in the 1990s, though I was (somewhat blindly) optimistic that a new ownership group would have made good on their promise to rethink the entire structure of the mall with more retail facing the streets instead of all internally. There was some evidence that gentrification and increasing residential options in the area would have naturally made more options for the space more viable, but who knows? Instead, there'll be a big arena. The place never really did feel unsafe to me, but, as expected, lots of kids hanging out, with most of the vagrants pushed towards the periphery, and not nearly as many shoppers as the comparable suburban malls.
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Old 05-26-2013, 09:19 PM
 
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Downtown Bellevue's Bellevue Collection mall is undergowing a 1.2 billion dollar expansion when done it will have 4 hotels and 2 million+ square ft of retail.
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