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Old 10-07-2013, 08:03 PM
 
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Who the heck said starve yourself?

Your info is not very sophisticated...do more research.

You said all you need to do to lose weight is eat less, which could be taken to mean starving yourself. The less you eat the more weight you will lose! And exercise doesn't matter! According to you. That is just plain ignorance. Sitting around all day eating little or nothing while not getting any exercise is not a very healthy way to live your life. You shouldn't need any experts to tell you that. Just common sense.
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Old 10-07-2013, 08:06 PM
 
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OP, from your own link:

"Researchers from
the University of Tennessee and Rutgers University found
that, on average Europeans walk 237 miles (382
kilometers) a year."


That is not even a mile a day; you really think walking not even a mile a day is a large factor in someone's body fat percent? Do you even know how many calories walking burns? I googled and the first site I came to says around 110 calories total for one mile. Running v. Walking: How Many Calories Will You Burn? | Runner's World & Running Times

You really think this is a significant factor? not even 100 calories? That is two tablespoons of jam for example.
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Old 10-07-2013, 08:10 PM
 
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You said all you need to do to lose weight is eat less, which could be taken to mean starving yourself. The less you eat the more weight you will lose! And exercise doesn't matter! According to you. That is just plain ignorance. Sitting around all day eating little or nothing while not getting any exercise is not a very healthy way to live your life. You shouldn't need any experts to tell you that. Just common sense.
Weight and health, two different subjects.

Yes, to lose weight, a person needs to eat less, it is simple. However, no where did that poster state a person should not exercise, what most are stating is that exercise is just a minimal factor when it comes to someone's body fat percent. No where did I see anyone state a person should not exercise; exercise is for health reasons beyond weight.

You made a few fallacies in this post.
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Old 10-07-2013, 08:14 PM
 
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You can exercise your weight down, but it has to be hard exercise. Bust your butt at a fitness pace on a bicycle (no leisurely riding) for an hour, that's 800+ calories. Walking? Forget it, you'd have to walk all day to make a dent. If you can work the whole day while also using a treadmill (some people can; I can't) that should do the job.
Even then, if you are consuming too many calories, you will not drop any weight. One doughnut has around 200 calories, a couple of those on top of other garbage throughout the day adds up quick, hence why we have the obesity numbers we do.
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Old 10-07-2013, 08:15 PM
 
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You said all you need to do to lose weight is eat less, which could be taken to mean starving yourself.
Losing weight means you're not taking in enough calories to replenish what your body uses. That could be seen as starving oneself by definition.

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Sitting around all day eating little or nothing while not getting any exercise is not a very healthy way to live your life.
True, but you will lose weight that way.
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Old 10-07-2013, 08:17 PM
 
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True, but you will lose weight that way.
And the entire basis of this thread was obesity and city planning.
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Old 10-07-2013, 08:18 PM
 
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You can exercise your weight down, but it has to be hard exercise. Bust your butt at a fitness pace on a bicycle (no leisurely riding) for an hour, that's 800+ calories. Walking? Forget it, you'd have to walk all day to make a dent. If you can work the whole day while also using a treadmill (some people can; I can't) that should do the job.

Depends on how fast you're walking, if you're carrying a backpack, etc. A kid walking to school carrying a backpack filled with textbooks will burn more calories then a kid who isn't carrying anything.

And weight loss isn't the only benefit of exercise.

10 Benefits of Exercise (Other Than Weight Loss) | Reader's Digest

Physical exercise makes your bones stronger reducing your risk of osteoporisis

Strenghtens your muscles

Reduces stress, depression and anxiety

Reduces cancer risk, risk of heart disease and heart attack

Strenghtens your immune system

Reduce risk of diabetes and stroke

Increase your blood circulation, makes your mind sharper and so on
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Old 10-07-2013, 08:23 PM
 
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Depends on how fast you're walking, if you're carrying a backpack, etc. A kid walking to school carrying a backpack filled with textbooks will burn more calories then a kid who isn't carrying anything.

And weight loss isn't the only benefit of exercise.

10 Benefits of Exercise (Other Than Weight Loss) | Reader's Digest

Physical exercise makes your bones stronger reducing your risk of osteoporisis

Strenghtens your muscles

Reduces stress, depression and anxiety

Reduces cancer risk, risk of heart disease and heart attack

Strenghtens your immune system

Reduce risk of diabetes and stroke

Increase your blood circulation, makes your mind sharper and so on
And this has to do with your original post how?
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Old 10-07-2013, 08:30 PM
 
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And this has to do with your original post how?

Good question. It seems to me that sprawl is one of the root causes in creating a whole host of our health problems, not just obesity.

People who live in places that more pedestrian and bike friendly where they have greater opportunities to exercise aren't just thinner but they are less depressed, less stressed out, are less prone to disease and sickness, and are just healthier and happier overall, physically and mentally.
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Old 10-07-2013, 08:30 PM
 
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It's an obvious question to ask, and certainly an important one. it isa serious health issue in this country. That is, the link between obesity and sprawl. I don't see any reason why it shouldn't be addressed. It seems obvious to me that there is one.

People who eat too much and don't exercise, get fat. Why is that even a question?
Why do so many people join health clubs and gyms if not to lose weight?
The built environment hasn't changed much in the last 20 years. We've gone from a car-dependent environment to a car dependent environment. Yet obesity climbed dramatically.

It's not the built environment - we don't need to have easily defeated questionable claims adding to the noise and detracting from the real issues and serious harm that our built environment is causing.

Our cities are the VERY WORST in the first world - there is not a first world country in the world building worse cities than the US. It's a serious serious problem - the most drastic we face. And we don't need bubblegum claims with no basis in serious data driven analysis mucking up the waters and giving the DEFENDERS OF THE HORRIBLE ammunition to continue on this course of destruction.
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