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Old 01-24-2014, 04:16 PM
 
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Often the patterns of American cities are treated here as universal norms for cities. They're not. For example, the school problems in cities is not something common to cities, it's an American only pattern.
What is unique about American schools here? It is the history of segregation?
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Old 01-24-2014, 04:28 PM
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What is unique about American schools here? It is the history of segregation?
That's what I would guess, or rather white flight + income segregation of families in general. Maybe I'm wrong, but trying to answer this question is the obvious one when schools and [American] cities are discussed, and rarely mentioned.
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Old 01-24-2014, 04:49 PM
 
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That's what I would guess, or rather white flight + income segregation of families in general. Maybe I'm wrong, but trying to answer this question is the obvious one when schools and [American] cities are discussed, and rarely mentioned.
I also hear American schools are unique in being funded by property taxes mainly (is this really true when compared to countries all over?). I'm not knowledgeable enough about this kind of thing but I'm curious so I started this thread on the world forum.

Inequality in funding for public schools in the United States versus other developed countries.
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Old 01-25-2014, 07:32 PM
 
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A couple things.

1. High school dropout rates have been falling nationwide. They're currently at a 40-year low nationwide. The article also notes that nationwide there's been a big drop in the Latino-white gap for graduation, and a smaller decline in the black/white gap. So your local school district's performance isn't incredibly remarkable in terms of nationwide trends.

2. While I would hope that some of the nationwide increase has been due to improved educational policy, given there's been no constant standard for graduation over this period, that cannot be assumed to be true. Something like the SAT is probably a better standard, as although methodology has changed over time, it gives quantified scores rather than merely a pass/fail. And while both black and white students have increased their scores, white scores have been rising faster, meaning the gap in performance has been growing.
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Old 01-25-2014, 07:35 PM
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why would you just look at racial/ethnic groups? It's unlikely that whites, blacks and hispanics reflect the national average in Boulder County, it's a local subgroup with its own population disctinctiveness where local trends could swamp nationwide overall trends. Not saying Boulder County is an outlier, just saying that like most counties it's unreflective of the nation as a whole.
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Old 01-25-2014, 07:44 PM
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A couple things.

1. High school dropout rates have been falling nationwide. They're currently at a 40-year low nationwide. The article also notes that nationwide there's been a big drop in the Latino-white gap for graduation, and a smaller decline in the black/white gap. So your local school district's performance isn't incredibly remarkable in terms of nationwide trends.

2. While I would hope that some of the nationwide increase has been due to improved educational policy, given there's been no constant standard for graduation over this period, that cannot be assumed to be true. Something like the SAT is probably a better standard, as although methodology has changed over time, it gives quantified scores rather than merely a pass/fail. And while both black and white students have increased their scores, white scores have been rising faster, meaning the gap in performance has been growing.
1. Well, thanks. I knew we were just mediocre.

2. Colorado students do not generally take the SAT. ALL students in CO take the ACT their junior year. Whether these scores have been rising, I do not know.

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why would you just look at racial/ethnic groups? It's unlikely that whites, blacks and hispanics reflect the national average in Boulder County, it's a local subgroup with its own population disctinctiveness where local trends could swamp nationwide overall trends. Not saying Boulder County is an outlier, just saying that like most counties it's unreflective of the nation as a whole.
For Pete's sake! I just posted some information that I had. No one else has posted anything of the kind on this forum. You have some national stats, post 'em.
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Old 01-25-2014, 07:52 PM
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For Pete's sake! I just posted some information that I had. No one else has posted anything of the kind on this forum. You have some national stats, post 'em.
Why do think I'm criticizing you?

I'm not arguing against the choice of Boulder County, nor I'm suggesting using national stats. My post was against using national stats.
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Old 01-25-2014, 08:07 PM
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Why do think I'm criticizing you?

I'm not arguing against the choice of Boulder County, nor I'm suggesting using national stats. My post was against using national stats.
I misunderstood. Yes, every school district is an outlier in its own way. Well, maybe not Jefferson County, CO, b/c Jeffco is supposed to "look like America" economically anyway. Diverse in the true sense of the word, a little bit of everything.
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Look at data more closely, sure every district is different, but Boulder County has two demographic why it should do well:

1) Its median family income is $93k/year. 15% of families earn less than $35k/year. So much better off than the national average as a whole. [In contrast, median family income of Denver is $63k/year]
2) Guessing here, but the presence of the university and university-affiliated places might help the educational culture.

As for Eschaton's comments on black student's scores, they're almost irrelevant for Boulder County, as the black % is very low (1%), though the hispanic % is significant.
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Old 01-26-2014, 01:34 PM
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Look at data more closely, sure every district is different, but Boulder County has two demographic why it should do well:

1) Its median family income is $93k/year. 15% of families earn less than $35k/year. So much better off than the national average as a whole. [In contrast, median family income of Denver is $63k/year]
2) Guessing here, but the presence of the university and university-affiliated places might help the educational culture.

As for Eschaton's comments on black student's scores, they're almost irrelevant for Boulder County, as the black % is very low (1%), though the hispanic % is significant.
Actually, this link: http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/08/08013.html says Boulder County's per capital income is $67,403. In addition, for specific communities in BC:

Boulder: $56,205 (Boulder HS and Fairview HS)
Broomfield: $80,483 (Broomfield HS)
Lafayette: $69,579 (Centaurus HS)
Louisville: $84,988 (Monarch HS)
Nederland: $60,630 (Nederland Middle-Senior HS)
Superior: $107,921 (Monarch HS)

These are the neighborhood "comprehensive" high schools. The others are charters that serve specific groups. Note that Centaurus High, with one of the lowest family incomes and the highest Hispanic population, has a 96.4% grad rate. Nederland is a mountain community with a lot of hippies, in addition to people who work in Boulder. Boulder's median family income is brought down by the university students.
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