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Old 10-16-2015, 01:53 PM
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The mineral and surface estate are separate estates in many states. Moreover, the mineral estate is often the dominant estate. Surface estate owners that don't also own the mineral estate took the risk that the mineral estate owner would exercise the right to extract the minerals at some point in time.
True, we had to sign away the mineral rights to our land when we bought both of our houses in CO. However, that's not what I was talking about. I'm talking about people who want no zoning, so they can live in this la-la "mixed use" environment. Now I don't know how many people want a fracking well next door. You have to take the bad with the good when you eliminate zoning.
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Old 10-16-2015, 07:21 PM
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I think what people meant was less zoning; they weren't thinking of nuisances such as fracking (or large factories). Houston supposedly has no zoning, does its no zoning goes as far as allowing heavy industry adjacent to residential. One could have zoning that allows both smaller businesses and residential while forbidding other more unpleasant businesses.
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Old 10-16-2015, 07:43 PM
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I think what people meant was less zoning; they weren't thinking of nuisances such as fracking (or large factories). Houston supposedly has no zoning, does its no zoning goes as far as allowing heavy industry adjacent to residential. One could have zoning that allows both smaller businesses and residential while forbidding other more unpleasant businesses.
Post #333 talked about how "since the advent of zoning, we've never left it up to families to decide what's best for them", in other words, any zoning. The thought is that w/o zoning, we'd live in this charming "mixed-use" world. But there wouldn't be any fracking wells, or factories in this fantasy. And maybe, instead of some charming "Mom and Pop" store down the block, you'd have a Dollar General or one of those little Walmarts, or maybe even a big-box Walmart or Target. Maybe there'd be a pawn shop, or an "E-Z Loan" or "Payday Loan" place, or a check cashing business next door. Instead of some cute bistro, a McDonald's or a Cracker Barrel. Be careful what you wish for.
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Old 10-16-2015, 08:12 PM
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Again, that's what the post said, I don't think that's what he meant or had in mind. I don't think he was thinking it through that carefully. At least in Massachusetts, there'd be no payday loan places nearby because there aren't. They're essentially illegal. Ditto with New York State*. Never saw them before until I traveled around in the western US. Anyway what about what I wrote in the latter part of my post rather than post #333 [don't care that much about it].

*If a New Yorker does manage to find a payday loan place in the state, the borrower is not liable to pay of the loan!
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Old 10-16-2015, 09:55 PM
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Again, that's what the post said, I don't think that's what he meant or had in mind. I don't think he was thinking it through that carefully. At least in Massachusetts, there'd be no payday loan places nearby because there aren't. They're essentially illegal. Ditto with New York State*. Never saw them before until I traveled around in the western US. Anyway what about what I wrote in the latter part of my post rather than post #333 [don't care that much about it].

*If a New Yorker does manage to find a payday loan place in the state, the borrower is not liable to pay of the loan!
Well, I'm not a mind reader, sorry. I think the previous poster just didnt think through this "no zoning" idea. Replace payday loan business with some else unsavory if they're illegal in your area. Maybe a "massage parlor", wink, wink. Zoning has its place.

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Old 10-17-2015, 10:22 AM
 
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At least in Massachusetts, there'd be no payday loan places nearby because there aren't. They're essentially illegal.
Really? I've seen payday loan places in Mattapan while driving through from Jamaica Plain to Milton.
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Old 10-17-2015, 10:37 AM
 
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Replace payday loan business with some else unsavory if they're illegal in your area. Maybe a "massage parlor", wink, wink. Zoning has its place.
I am thinking of one particular suburb of Boston and I can think of several unsavory business types as a direct neighbor to a residence: strip club, sports bar, liquor store, 24hr convenience store, gas station and recycling processing plant. Yes, there is a town in eastern Massachusetts that has many of these things within its boundaries.
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Old 10-17-2015, 10:45 AM
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I am thinking of one particular suburb of Boston and I can think of several unsavory business types as a direct neighbor to a residence: strip club, sports bar, liquor store, 24hr convenience store, gas station and recycling processing plant. Yes, there is a town in eastern Massachusetts that has many of these things within its boundaries.
"Celebrate" them!
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Old 10-17-2015, 11:12 AM
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I am thinking of one particular suburb of Boston and I can think of several unsavory business types as a direct neighbor to a residence: strip club, sports bar, liquor store, 24hr convenience store, gas station and recycling processing plant. Yes, there is a town in eastern Massachusetts that has many of these things within its boundaries.
Why is a convenience store unsavory?
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Old 10-17-2015, 11:29 AM
 
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Why is a convenience store unsavory?
As a direct neighbor to a residence it generates traffic, bright lights, noise, litter, gas fumes, possibly smells and a little crime.
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