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Old 02-04-2014, 07:48 AM
Status: "Summer!" (set 22 days ago)
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I ended up reading quite a lot about this particular incident. I just picked the first article in the story. At the end, my mental picture was a tired mom who had been out shopping all day with small children had her hands full, and really just wanted to get home. Like any of us do after a long day. It turned into the worst day if her life. Her choice was to cross a street she had crossed dozens of times or walk another 1/2 mile with tired screaming kids. Most of us would have jaywalked too.

But for me it illustrates a lot about what is wrong with transit in this country. There was a joke somewhere, we design transit systems that we hope other people will use.

And that is exactly it. We assume that transit riders are somehow wildly different than people who drive cars, they area supposed to have unlimited time to wait for buses, never take shortcuts across the street, not care about convenience and a whole bunch of other stuff. Almost like "they" should be happy to have something, instead of making something that is moderately pleasant and convenient to use.

I think i posted this story in a other thread. Jaywalking was invented by car companies.
The Invention of Jaywalking - Sarah Goodyear - The Atlantic Cities
I must have missed this post while watching the Super Bowl Sunday night. Oh, well. Wait'll next year!

1. "Most of us" would not have jaywalked. That's an excuse. "Most of us", would have crossed where it is safe to cross. Look, I would be devastated if anything happened to one of my kids. I know how it feels to contemplate the death of a child, though my daughter did get better. But that's why, in a situation like this lady's, I would have crossed at the freaking crosswalk!

2. I have never heard that joke. Maybe it's because I live here in sort of "white bread" Denver, where it's assumed that the average person is going to use the system, especially the light rail, which is wildly popular with commuters. I never heard of any assumptions that transit riders are somehow "different". This is conspiracy theory stuff.

3. Speaking of conspiracy theory, that article is Mercola for urbanists. (Zimbochick will know what I mean. Mercola is a vaccine denier.) Someone even actually used the word conspiracy in the comments! Get a grip you guys! No one is out to get you! Maybe put down "The Atlantic Cities" for something more mainstream.
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Old 02-04-2014, 08:29 AM
 
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How an Urban Grid Prevents Atlanta

But there’s a problem with funneling. When the funnel clogs, it reduces the number of alternate routes, causing a “traffic heart attack.” Think of how you can get around in Chicago—if someone wipes out and blocks an entire major artery, there are multiple routes to another one, usually in three or four directions.

The grid is a robust system; the street hierarchy is not.
This is spot on! The problem in Atlanta was a classic case of bottlenecks. In Chicago this problem doesn't happen because people are able to take a variety of alternate routes. It may be slower, but it's better than not moving at all.
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Old 02-04-2014, 08:34 AM
Status: "Summer!" (set 22 days ago)
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Denver is on what is supposedly the biggest grid in the country, and it gridlocks with snow too, sometimes as little as 2".
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Old 02-04-2014, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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If I had lots of time and nothing to do I would go back through this thread and count the number of times the OP has written "two inches of snow" or "a dusting" and also how many times he has ignored requests from posters to acknowledge that it was the ice, not the two inches of snow, which created the problems.

A further issue is that the ice-related problems occurred in many places over the south, not just in Atlanta; I-10 and I-12 in the Baton Rouge, Louisiana area were closed for two to three days, for example, stranding hundreds of big rigs.

"Two inches of snow" is a straw-man argument. Like a presidential candidate once famously said, "It's the economy, stupid". Well, it was the ice, stupid.
Yes, then add in Atlanta's very hilly terrain.
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Old 02-04-2014, 09:15 AM
 
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Yes, then add in Atlanta's very hilly terrain.
And complete lack of grid. . . and incredibly poor transit options. . .
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Old 02-04-2014, 09:22 AM
 
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I watched TWC and saw that Kansas City got scared by what they witnessed in Atlanta.

No snow had fallen early this morning yet they shut nearly the entire city down in anticipation of the 8-12 inches that are forecasted.

That is smart, but if they ever do it and the storm isn't as bad as forecasted, they will get blasted by the same people who blasted Atlanta for not doing it.
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Old 02-04-2014, 11:24 AM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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I must have missed this post while watching the Super Bowl Sunday night. Oh, well. Wait'll next year!


2. I have never heard that joke. Maybe it's because I live here in sort of "white bread" Denver, where it's assumed that the average person is going to use the system, especially the light rail, which is wildly popular with commuters. I never heard of any assumptions that transit riders are somehow "different". This is conspiracy theory stuff.
This onion article sums it up pretty well. (yes I know this is satire)

Report: 98 Percent Of U.S. Commuters Favor Public Transportation For Others | The Onion - America's Finest News Source

But lets look at a bit of reality from our "leaders"
Why mass transit is doomed in America: Politicians don’t know people who use it - Salon.com
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Old 02-04-2014, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Duluth, GA
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And complete lack of grid. . . and incredibly poor transit options. . .
...and just about every thru-trucker in the Eastern Time Zone simultaneously jack-knifing across multiple lanes of traffic and access ramps.
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Old 02-04-2014, 12:31 PM
Status: "Summer!" (set 22 days ago)
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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More Mercola stuff. Here's a quote about Minnesota:
"If this very liberal town, in a liberal state, run entirely by Democrats, has so much trouble creating and maintaining a decent mass transit system, what hope is there for the rest of America’s cities? Especially the ones in states, and metro areas, that aren’t so liberal."

Look at all these Democrats running Minnesota:
Members and Membership information for the Minnesota House of Representatives
I was trying to count them manually, but I lost my place a couple times. Anyway, it looks pretty even.
Minnesota Senate Members
Again, pretty even, maybe a few more Dems than Repubs. And one person of color in the whole MN legislature.
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Old 02-04-2014, 02:31 PM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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More Mercola stuff. Here's a quote about Minnesota:
"If this very liberal town, in a liberal state, run entirely by Democrats, has so much trouble creating and maintaining a decent mass transit system, what hope is there for the rest of America’s cities? Especially the ones in states, and metro areas, that aren’t so liberal."

Look at all these Democrats running Minnesota:
Members and Membership information for the Minnesota House of Representatives
I was trying to count them manually, but I lost my place a couple times. Anyway, it looks pretty even.
Minnesota Senate Members
Again, pretty even, maybe a few more Dems than Repubs. And one person of color in the whole MN legislature.
I am not picking on Minnesota. We have the same problem in the liberal Bay Area. For some unknown reason BART workers have cars to use? And most drive to work. And well park in the freaking station plaza. (I live near this station...)

http://sf.streetsblog.org/2013/11/27...rthur-station/

I'd call it systemic more than anything. We devalue transit so much, that as soon as people have choice, they jump ship in the vast majority of places in the US. (Because transit is a defacto non-option, though we are trying to change)
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