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Old 02-05-2014, 08:16 AM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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I dont understand the mentality of blaming others. It is a personal choice to go out into this kind of weather or send kids to school. That is why people are supposed to look at/listen to the weather. It is irresponsible!! Blaming the state or city government is ridiculous. Each person made the conscious decision to drive into the city and/or send their children to school knowing snow was coming. I have NO sympathy for any except the poor children who were left overnight in school because their parents had no brains to think about their safety and welfare. Getting stranded on the interstate???? It is bad enough driving on a clear day...what did YOU think would happen in the snow....PFFFT

That's not how real life works. People wouldn't have been excused from work had they not gone in because of the forecast and the storm then bypassed the city. Nor would kids have an excused absence.
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Old 02-05-2014, 08:40 AM
 
Location: U.S.A., Earth
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I dont understand the mentality of blaming others. It is a personal choice to go out into this kind of weather or send kids to school. That is why people are supposed to look at/listen to the weather. It is irresponsible!! Blaming the state or city government is ridiculous. Each person made the conscious decision to drive into the city and/or send their children to school knowing snow was coming. I have NO sympathy for any except the poor children who were left overnight in school because their parents had no brains to think about their safety and welfare. Getting stranded on the interstate???? It is bad enough driving on a clear day...what did YOU think would happen in the snow....PFFFT - STAY HOME!!!
The world will keep on spinning around.
Well, folks are saying it snows in those parts around once every few years to 5 years. If that's true, then Atlanta folk wouldn't know how to deal with it... they can guess, but otherwise, they're likely to underestimate of just how bad it could get. Snow would be a foreign concept to them, much like how the average American doesn't go out each day and worry about... oh, getting their foot blown off by stepping on a land mine.
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Old 02-05-2014, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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I don't know about that! If the 10 min. route runs when it fits your schedule, why not take it? Gosh, why make all these assumptions such as "anybody would jaywalk in this situation", "anybody would take a bus that takes 20 minutes if it runs every 10 minutes", etc? Anybody might do something entirely different from what you think anybody would do!
You didn't understand my comment! Some "planners" would choose to build/create a 10 minute bus over the 20 minute bus, because they assume the most important thing is speed (an extreme example of course). As a result, there would be one bus that takes 10 minutes and no other bus. There would not be a choice of a speedy route or a frequent one.

Someone who relies on the buss would be better served by the 20 minute one, because, if you miss the once and hour bus you are SOL. Having multiple (even slower) buses that come more frequently, and predictably makes for better transit. The more frequent bus, although slower, will open up access to more people.

The problem is, many people think the choices they would make would hold up, if their constraints are wildly different. I'm commenting on how the choices (and desires) wold be wildly different under different circumstances.
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Old 02-05-2014, 09:08 AM
 
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Funny how after Sandy tore up New York, nobody blamed the disaster on building a compact city, on a non porous concrete environment that can't absorb water, right on lowlands next to the ocean. Even though that would be a perfectly valid point. It was only a category 1 storm, something the South doesn't think twice about. Cities generally have the infrastructure they need for common weather events. It's not feasible to plan for the freak things that only happen a few times per century. Anybody being honest knows the problem here was the ice, not the snow. Without their well maintained equipment the people in the Northern states wouldn't handle ice any better than the folks in Atlanta. As anybody who has spent any time there knows, half the people in Atlanta are from the Northern states. But it's so much more fun to assume inferiority, right?
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Old 02-05-2014, 09:56 AM
 
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Funny how after Sandy tore up New York, nobody blamed the disaster on building a compact city, on a non porous concrete environment that can't absorb water, right on lowlands next to the ocean. Even though that would be a perfectly valid point. It was only a category 1 storm, something the South doesn't think twice about.
This is a pretty silly analogy. You're comparing a hurricane to an inch of snow? Why not compare an earthquake to a few drops of rain while you're at it?

And last I checked hurricanes do impact the South. Apparently you never heard of Katrina, or the bazillions of hurricanes that have struck the Gulf Coast and Atlantic seaboard.

And Sandy didn't "tear up New York"; it only impacted the coast, and moreso in less developed parts of New Jersey, not New York.
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Cities generally have the infrastructure they need for common weather events. It's not feasible to plan for the freak things that only happen a few times per century.
Snow and ice are common weather events in North Georgia. Since when was ice a "freak thing that only happens a few times per century"?
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Old 02-05-2014, 09:59 AM
 
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2 inches is a dusting.
Wrong! A dusting by definition is snowfall that is too small to measure in inches. A dusting of snow on asphalt under sunny skies will melt on its own even if the temperature is below freezing. 2 inches would need to be cleared.
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Old 02-05-2014, 10:37 AM
 
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If I had lots of time and nothing to do I would go back through this thread and count the number of times the OP has written "two inches of snow" or "a dusting" and also how many times he has ignored requests from posters to acknowledge that it was the ice, not the two inches of snow, which created the problems.

A further issue is that the ice-related problems occurred in many places over the south, not just in Atlanta; I-10 and I-12 in the Baton Rouge, Louisiana area were closed for two to three days, for example, stranding hundreds of big rigs.

"Two inches of snow" is a straw-man argument. Like a presidential candidate once famously said, "It's the economy, stupid". Well, it was the ice, stupid.
I wholeheartedly agree! Using this ice event in Atlanta to demonize sprawl is the equivalent of using the BP oil spill of 2010 to demonize Barack Obama.
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Old 02-05-2014, 10:51 AM
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Location: Long Island / NYC
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Funny how after Sandy tore up New York, nobody blamed the disaster on building a compact city, on a non porous concrete environment that can't absorb water, right on lowlands next to the ocean. Even though that would be a perfectly valid point. It was only a category 1 storm, something the South doesn't think twice about.
Sandy had a storm surge of 9 feet + high tide. Anything built right near the coast would get damaged, it doesn't matter whether it's in a place more used to hurricanes or not. Wetlands absorb water, but you need a large distance of wetland to absorb the surge. If you're right by the coast, it doesn't matter if it's a concrete environment or not. Less built up New Jersey and Staten Island got plenty of storm surge compared to the rest of NYC.
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Old 02-05-2014, 10:52 AM
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2 inches is a dusting. It takes a major blizzard to shut down a city in the north east and I've never heard of 18 hour traffic jams anywhere in the US as a result of a very minor weather event.
Why do you ignore the ice and just mention the snow amounts?
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Old 02-05-2014, 11:34 AM
 
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Why do you ignore the ice and just mention the snow amounts?

Maybe he will answer you.

He has ignored me when I ask it.
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