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Old 01-30-2014, 10:37 AM
 
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good read on a man-made disaster caused by sprawl

Atlanta Snow Storm - POLITICO Magazine

"More than any event Iíve witnessed in two decades of living in and writing about this city, this snowstorm underscores the horrible history of suburban sprawl in the United States and the bad political decisions that drive it. It tells us something not just about whatís wrong with one city in America today but what can happen when disaster strikes many places across the country. As with famines in foreign lands, itís important to understand: Itís not an act of nature or Godóthis fiasco is manmade from start to finish."
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Old 01-30-2014, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Vallejo
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Happens every time it snows in Seattle too. Fun times watching the buses go sliding down the hill.
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Old 01-30-2014, 11:21 AM
 
Location: IL
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It seems the issue isn't so much about sprawl, it is a lack of coordination between government agencies. It seems there is a historical reason for this mess that could be solved through coordination and working together. No matter what, it was an interesting read.
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Old 01-30-2014, 11:26 AM
 
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It seems the issue isn't so much about sprawl, it is a lack of coordination between government agencies. It seems there is a historical reason for this mess that could be solved through coordination and working together. No matter what, it was an interesting read.
lack of coordination and bad decisions contributed, but the fact is those decisions should not have resulted in a complete paralysis of the entire system - it underscores how incredibly fragile sprawl is. A resilient network would have resulted back-ups and inconveniences - not horror stories and deaths.
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Old 01-30-2014, 11:33 AM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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There is a thread about this on the Pittsburgh forum as well. (The OP lives somewhere in GA.)
So you think Pittsburgh sucks at regional coordination?

You'll see some of my comments there.
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Old 01-30-2014, 12:09 PM
 
Location: IL
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lack of coordination and bad decisions contributed, but the fact is those decisions should not have resulted in a complete paralysis of the entire system - it underscores how incredibly fragile sprawl is. A resilient network would have resulted back-ups and inconveniences - not horror stories and deaths.
The only solution here is to get cars off the road. 2 inches of snow is nothing. Atlanta can't justify a full fleet of snow trucks, and I assume the cars don't have tires appropriate for snow.

So, I guess the solutions I can come up with for days predicted to snow are:
1-have all workers than can work at home, work at home
2-Encourage residents to get better tires
3-Improve rail network, but this won't happen due to lack of coordination
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Old 01-30-2014, 12:55 PM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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Oh, good grief ... Plenty of blame to go 'round, but sprawl is the least of the reasons.
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Location: Long Island / NYC
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rail can shut down because of snow, too.

A First: The Snowstorm That Nearly Shut Down New York

Christopher Mullen was among countless stranded travelers trying to find a way out of Kennedy Airport. Soaking wet, he boarded a chilly city subway, only to get stuck onboard for eight hours, with gusts of wind shaking the train car.
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Old 01-30-2014, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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The thing (problem) with Atlanta, is there are no alternatives to driving. Tons of areas don't even have sidewalks. You couldn't even walk home if you wanted and it was close enough. There is not infrastructure that is not car oriented.

We need redundancy and options to moving people around. Cars shouldn't be the only choice.

Here is a really good perspective:
In Defense of Mayor Reed, Governor Deal, GDOT, etc, etc, etc. | MARTA Rocks!
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Old 01-30-2014, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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You say Atlanta has no alternative to driving, yet provide a link to an article from the MARTA website? LMAO. Apparently there's at least one alternative for some folks ... And no matter how many rail lines spring up, not everyone will live near one, even if they live in the city.
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