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Old 02-18-2014, 10:41 AM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Yes, thank you for catching a spelling mistake. It is an old habit of mine, usually I am better at catching that mistake.

I was simply asking a question because I clicked on the links and thought they were all about downtown Denver, not the Denver Tech Center....clearly the light rail runs to the DTC, that is really cool and something I didn't notice, Denver isn't a city I know much about.

If you wouldn't mind dialing back the defensiveness, I am really enjoying this topic and have no interest in seeing this be a name calling thread or something along those lines.

Now if we could get back to the topic of the thread, that would be great.
So you clicked on the links, decided they were irrelevant, and instead of asking me about them, told me I was not addressing the topic.

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The first paragraph was not on a place I know nothing about. ecause I also mentioned other factors besides frequency, particularly the fact that downtown locations tend to have more direct routes to it… You didn't address my main point, which is rather frustrating.




Of course not, how do you figure I said anything regarding that. Did I ever say anything about where one should get job? I didn't respond because it had nothing to do with what earlier posts were about.

The only arguement I made is that downtown get better transit service metro-wide, and generally more convenient via transit. Does that imply anything about where one should get a job?
I am hardly the only person on this forum who doesn't address every issue. In fact, I have a policy of only talking about things I know something about. It sometimes makes me unpopular.

I thought this conversation started out with someone, or someones saying that office parks weren't served by transit, or not well served. I posted some links about an office park that is well served, with two light rail lines, and numerous bus lines, including some express buses. If you work at the DTC and want to take transit, you probably can from just about any place within the southern metro area, which is where you would likely live. I don't understand the relevance that downtown has better transit. Yes, I'm sure it does. People go downtown for reasons other than work.

I cannot read anyone's mind here, and don't know how other people want me to answer their posts.
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Old 02-18-2014, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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So you clicked on the links, decided they were irrelevant, and instead of asking me about them, told me I was not addressing the topic.

I cannot read anyone's mind here, and don't know how other people want me to answer their posts.
I did ask you about them, you clearly took it the wrong way, and like you just said I cannot read anyone's mind here, so sorry if you thought I was "attacking" you.


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someones saying that office parks weren't served by transit, or not well served.
Yes, you provided an office park that was serviced by transit, that doesn't mean that is common for office parks and the DTC is more of an exception than a rule.
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Old 02-18-2014, 11:00 AM
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I did ask you about them, you clearly took it the wrong way, and like you just said I cannot read anyone's mind here, so sorry if you thought I was "attacking" you.




Yes, you provided an office park that was serviced by transit, that doesn't mean that is common for office parks and the DTC is more of an exception than a rule.
Apology accepted. Let's move on. I don't know how YOU know that the DTC is such an exception. The point I was trying in vain obviously to make was that there are 65,000 employees there. Of course it's going to be served by transit. Then I got these arguments about downtown Denver having better transit, etc. It didn't make sense.

Here's some information about bus service to the Federal Center in Lakewood (suburban Denver).
RTD

Also light rail:
Union Blvd. and Federal Center

Interlocken (Broomfield)
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...61535280,d.aWc
RTD
City and County of Broomfield - Official Website - Transportation
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Old 02-18-2014, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Apology accepted. Let's move on. I don't know how YOU know that the DTC is such an exception. The point I was trying in vain obviously to make was that there are 65,000 employees there. Of course it's going to be served by transit. Then I got these arguments about downtown Denver having better transit, etc. It didn't make sense.

Here's some information about bus service to the Federal Center in Lakewood (suburban Denver).
RTD

Also light rail:
Union Blvd. and Federal Center

Interlocken (Broomfield)
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...61535280,d.aWc
RTD
City and County of Broomfield - Official Website - Transportation
Denver is indeed doing a good job of reversing suburban trends that have gone on throughout this country, but seeing you are using Denver specifically to prove that there are suburban office parks that provide transit options, I will use my personal experiences as well.

The Lynnhaven Office Park in Virginia Beach, Va is serviced by only one bus line that doesn't really go anywhere specific and runs only once an hour, so if you had to do a bus transfer from somewhere else, it could take you several hours each way to get to and from work. These types of office parks are common throughout suburbia in the US. Thankfully times are starting to change and tech companies are pushing for areas that are better connected like places like Denver Tech Center.

https://www.google.com/maps?q=36.825...num=1&t=h&z=18


This is a good article that talks about this shift for better transit options to keep up with the demands for high paying tech jobs.
Why Today's Start-Ups Are Choosing Urban Lofts Over Suburban Office Parks - Richard Florida - The Atlantic Cities
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Old 02-18-2014, 06:46 PM
 
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Not necessarily. If you live in the city, but work in the suburbs in most metro areas that's not a problem. In most big cities, rush hour traffic is caused by those who live in the suburbs but work in the city (morning rush hour is from suburbs to city and afternoon rush hour is city to suburbs). Therefore, the commute for a city-dweller to the suburbs would be rather short.

ETA: Without traffic, I live 20 min. above ATL and with traffic it's 45 min. to an hour.
Assuming you make enough money for the time aspect of a commute to matter more than the mileage aspect...
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Old 02-18-2014, 07:30 PM
 
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The main issue is improving the school system in urban areas.
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Old 02-18-2014, 08:40 PM
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The main issue is improving the school system in urban areas.
Uh, yeah, but try telling that to the 20 somethings on this forum. I don't think there is one person on this forum who lives in a big city (say the top 50) and has kids in public school. In fact, I don't think there's anyone on this forum who lives in a city and has kids in school period. There are only one or two city dwellers who even have kids.
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Old 02-18-2014, 08:52 PM
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Uh, yeah, but try telling that to the 20 somethings on this forum. I don't think there is one person on this forum who lives in a big city (say the top 50) and has kids in public school. In fact, I don't think there's anyone on this forum who lives in a city and has kids in school period. There are only one or two city dwellers who even have kids.
Most posters have not disagreed that schools aren't an important issue, the main disagreement was over whether there should be more posts on the subject. As for the post, it accomplishes little other than annoying others and is a bit condescending.
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Old 02-18-2014, 09:00 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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The quality of schools is a major factor in the livelihood of inner city neighborhoods for those looking to raise kids, however as we start to see those 20 somethings that moved into the cities start to set up roots, we see an increase of demand for better quality in schools which often times follows. (This is just a general statement about cities because each city is different on how they handle the issues with education.)
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Old 02-18-2014, 09:10 PM
Status: "Summer!" (set 22 days ago)
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Most posters have not disagreed that schools aren't an important issue, the main disagreement was over whether there should be more posts on the subject. As for the post, it accomplishes little other than annoying others and is a bit condescending.
Good grief! I am just stating the truth. Until I brought up city schools, many people on this forum acknowledged they'd never thought about schools and really had no interest in looking at the topic. Yet when you look at city forums, the big question is often, "where are the good schools?"

ETA: I will point out that a young teacher who posts here occasionally has expressed similar to me, that the 20 something, mostly male demographic on this forum is simply uninterested in school issues.

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