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Old 02-15-2014, 10:37 AM
 
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Would a transit system work if it went across a country border. Likr would a transit system work in San Diego-Tijuana or Detroit-Windsor.
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Old 02-15-2014, 11:29 AM
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There's plenty of it... in Europe.



File:Basel - Regio-S-Bahn Basel - Netzplan (mit Hintergrund).jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Commuter rail system for Basel, Switzerland (hourly or half-hourly off peak frequency). Runs to France and Germany. Of course, there are no border controls.

Amtrak has a Seattle to Vancouver train and a once / day NYC to Montreal and NYC to Toronto train. I think they are slower because they have to stop at the border crossing. Some type of pre-bordering clearance would help.
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Old 02-15-2014, 12:29 PM
 
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There's a bus that connects Detroit and Windsor. It's not really extensive since all it is is a connector shuttle.

http://www.citywindsor.ca/residents/...umm%20schd.pdf

As far as having a full system cross the border, no. For either Mexico or Canada, crossing the border requires checking and security measures that would either be totally ineffective or slow down the entire system.
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Old 02-15-2014, 12:39 PM
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The light rail of Strausbourg*, France has a planned extension to Germany, due to open next year. Germany is funding it.

*Interestingly, support for the initial light rail/tram split on left/right lines. The right favored rapid transit, which as it was more expensive would result in fewer lines. The left the partially street running tramway, which would be anti-car as it would remove car lanes and pedestrianize part of the downtown.
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Old 02-15-2014, 02:48 PM
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The light rail of Strausbourg*, France has a planned extension to Germany, due to open next year. Germany is funding it.

*Interestingly, support for the initial light rail/tram split on left/right lines. The right favored rapid transit, which as it was more expensive would result in fewer lines. The left the partially street running tramway, which would be anti-car as it would remove car lanes and pedestrianize part of the downtown.
Aren't they both part of the EU? You don't have to show your "papers" to go from one country to another there, like in the old WW II/Cold War movies.
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Old 02-15-2014, 09:03 PM
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Aren't they both part of the EU? You don't have to show your "papers" to go from one country to another there, like in the old WW II/Cold War movies.
Well, yes. I'd assume the lack of border controls explains why local international transit works well there.

Going back to North America, there's ferries between Port Angeles, WA and Victoria, BC. Privately run and only a few times a day, but it's transit.
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Old 02-15-2014, 09:48 PM
 
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Aren't they both part of the EU? You don't have to show your "papers" to go from one country to another there, like in the old WW II/Cold War movies.
I took the train from Lyon to Mulhouse before and then had to use local transit into Basel.

Germany and France are part of the EU - Switzerland is not - and even though Mulhouse is not on the border they still have border controls inside the station for Swiss bound trains.

Switzerland is part of the Schengen Agreement but they still stop you if you're a non-EU national.

I've also had my passport checked when arriving in Montpelier from London and again when arriving in Girona from Amsterdam.
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Old 02-16-2014, 03:32 AM
 
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Services like Megabus and Bolt Bus have some cross-border routes between the US and Canada. I use the Seattle-Vancouver route regularly. The border crossing usually takes about 30-45 minutes because everyone on the bus has to be screened individually, often in a single-file line.

With the current border nonsense, a regional transit system (rail or bus) probably wouldn't be effective. Until governments realize that entering and leaving the country is a good thing, we're stuck with the current system of long lines at the border for every mode of transportation.
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Old 02-16-2014, 06:38 AM
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Switzerland is part of the Schengen Agreement but they still stop you if you're a non-EU national.
Switzerland only joined the Schengen Agreement in 2009, when did you go? In any case, looks like some of these local rail systems predated the abolition of border controls (the tracks have been there a local time of course, but the service may have been less frequent).

The UK is not part of the Schengen Agreeement, there's still border controls between the UK and the rest of western Europe. Since there's already a sea in the way, it's less of a hassle.
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Old 02-16-2014, 08:30 AM
 
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Cross border transit is also common around Geneva with a few of the bus, tram and train lines going across the border into the French suburbs.

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Switzerland only joined the Schengen Agreement in 2009, when did you go? In any case, looks like some of these local rail systems predated the abolition of border controls (the tracks have been there a local time of course, but the service may have been less frequent).

The UK is not part of the Schengen Agreeement, there's still border controls between the UK and the rest of western Europe. Since there's already a sea in the way, it's less of a hassle.
I was in Basel in 2005. Amsterdam-Girona was 2006. My London-Montpellier trip was 2008.

In Spain and France EU nationals got in one line and walked right through while everyone else got in the other line. I got a stamp in Girona but in Montpelier there was no one at the desk so we just walked through. The desks are positioned so you can't seem them until it you're well into the separate cattle chute. In Switzerland they were checking everyone's passport but we didn't get stamped. It seemed like they just wanted to make sure everyone was legit. People with red passports got a quick once over but for us it was "where are you going? How long are you staying? OK, enjoy your visit."

The only real hassle I ever got traveling within europe was flying from London to Belfast (in 2002 ).
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