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Old 02-17-2014, 06:29 PM
 
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9 Reasons the U.S. Ended Up So Much More Car-Dependent Than Europe - Ralph Buehler - The Atlantic Cities
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Old 02-17-2014, 07:15 PM
 
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Nation built for cars not people
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Old 02-17-2014, 07:25 PM
 
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Just got back from going to a restaurant from another town 15+ miles away. Glad I was able to drive it in 25 minutes rather than sit around waiting for a bus. I was in that town because I was at an art opening a bit over a half a mile away from the restaurant. Glad I was able to drive rather than walk in the subfreezing temperatures between the 4+ foot snowpiles.
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Old 02-17-2014, 07:39 PM
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Just got back from going to a restaurant from another town 15+ miles away. Glad I was able to drive it in 25 minutes rather than sit around waiting for a bus. I was in that town because I was at an art opening a bit over a half a mile away from the restaurant. Glad I was able to drive rather than walk in the subfreezing temperatures between the 4+ foot snowpiles.
What does that have to do with this thread? It would be nice to actually talk about some actual differences in city form / policy between Europe and the US rather than have it hijacked into the merits of cars vs transit

In any case, you can also drive to a restaurant 15 miles away in Europe.

Going back to the OP, the article ignores Canada and Australia, which while neither nearly as car dependent as the US, are still far more similar in built form to the US than Europe.
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Old 02-17-2014, 07:46 PM
 
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What does that have to do with this thread? It would be nice to actually talk about some actual differences in city form / policy between Europe and the US rather than have it hijacked into the merits of cars vs transit
Has more to do with the article contents than the thread (and article) title. The article takes it as an unquestionably bad thing that Americans drive a lot and suggests we look to Western Europe to stop all this driving. I'm disputing the premise; I think that more car driving can simply be because we Americans value our time and comfort more; we're not willing to walk a mile in the snow or spend time waiting for a bus when there's an alternative.
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Old 02-17-2014, 07:50 PM
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Has more to do with the article contents than the thread (and article) title. The article takes it as an unquestionably bad thing that Americans drive a lot and suggests we look to Western Europe to stop all this driving.
However, the article doesn't discuss the premise, it discusses something else.
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Old 02-17-2014, 08:39 PM
 
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In many U.S. states and at the federal level, large parts of the gas tax revenue are earmarked for roadway construction, assuring a steady flow of non-competitive funds for roads.
As opposed to fare revenue, which goes entirely to transit assuring a steady flow of non-competitive funds for transit.

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Over the last 40 years, gas taxes, tolls, and registration fees have covered only about 60 or 70 percent of roadway expenditures across all levels of U.S. government.
As opposed to most transit agencies, which are often times 80 or 90% subsidized.

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Particularly after World War II, privately owned U.S. transit systems increased fares, cut services, lost ridership, and either went out of business or were saved by public ownership — with help from U.S. governments often coming too late.
Say what now?

For NYC, IND (public subway company) was formed in 1930. The competing private subway operators, IRT and BMT, were bought in 1940. The great depression is what really did most of the transit companies in, not "after World War II." Someone needs a history lesson.

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Only a few U.S. cities, such as Davis, California, have a tradition of implementing pedestrian and bicyclist amenities since the 1970s.
Right. Another history lesson is need about bicycles and bicycle amenities in America. It was bicyclists, not cars, that began the push for road subsidies.

Scary thing is this guy's an associate professor and he doesn't know these things. Yikes.
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Old 02-18-2014, 01:37 AM
 
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A lot of Europe is just as car dependent as a lot of the US. Someone living in the Eifel in Germany is more car dependent then someone in San Francisco... There is however less stigma involved in taking public transportation.
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Old 02-18-2014, 02:13 AM
 
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Going back to the OP, the article ignores Canada and Australia, which while neither nearly as car dependent as the US, are still far more similar in built form to the US than Europe.
It's pretty interesting - the US, Australia, and Canada are clustered together for CO2 emissions per capita (Aussies higher, Canadians lower) but Americans drive about 30% more than their peers.

I don't think that either country is any less car dependent I think it's a matter of having slightly more dense development, most of the population clustered in relatively large, metro areas which are also the state/provincial capitals and far fewer people living in rural or otherwise non-metro areas.

Australia is probably tops in CO2 because coal is king and Australians fly a lot per capita. Intercity driving and train travel aren't serious options.

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In any case, you can also drive to a restaurant 15 miles away in Europe.
I have friends/family in the UK, France, Switzerland and Spain and all of their households have cars. In some cases two cars. My friends in France even live in the suburbs. They do things like drive to the grocery store and drop each other off at the train station.
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Old 02-18-2014, 05:03 AM
 
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