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Old 02-19-2014, 08:40 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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I'll remember this one next time someone claims no one is trying to force people into the cities.
Who is forcing you to live in cities? Buy a home on a farm or out in the country if you don't want to live in the city, there is nothing wrong with that, just don't try and bring the suburbs you are running away from with you. Or if you don't like the suburbs you are living in because they are becoming to crime ridden, move to a different city that takes better care of its city and the people living in it than staying in the one that lets crime force the suburbs further and further away as the ones that get left behind decay.
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Old 02-19-2014, 09:54 PM
 
Location: Milwaukee Ex-ex-ex-urbs
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Urban sprawl is a myth. It is an attempt by some people to control other people. It means "you cannot live there. You must live here.

You cannot drive wherever you want whenever. You cannot drive at all. You may ride a bicycle, but if you want to go far you must ride a train packed with all the other people.

You want to see the Grand Canyon? Fine. Get on the tour bus. We will provide you with binoculars.

Wal-Mart? How dare you! You will buy your things from this little local store that only has a few things, but they are all you need.

Because we say so. We know better than you."


You know it's true.
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Old 02-19-2014, 09:56 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Urban sprawl is a myth. It is an attempt by some people to control other people. It means "you cannot live there. You must live here.

You cannot drive wherever you want whenever. You cannot drive at all. You may ride a bicycle, but if you want to go far you must ride a train packed with all the other people.

You want to see the Grand Canyon? Fine. Get on the tour bus. We will provide you with binoculars.

Wal-Mart? How dare you! You will buy your things from this little local store that only has a few things, but they are all you need.

Because we say so. We know better than you."


You know it's true.
This entire post is false.
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Old 02-20-2014, 12:16 AM
 
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Is it just me, or is a big part of our sprawl problem that we seem to always have a need to have new and shiny things? In my state anyway, the older suburbs are starting to get neglected with roads falling apart. Instead of fixing the streets and sidewalks, seems like here, and seemingly everywhere else, decide that just building a new neighborhood is better than rehabilitating an existing one. Coupling that with American consumerist attitudes, can it be explained (whole or in part) that we Americans desire something "new and shiny" as opposed to old and renovated?
The trappings of modern suburban infrastructure, strip malls, big boxes, mcmansions, fast food shacks etc tends to age very badly in a relatively short period of time because they are not designed to last. So there's not much point or reward in trying to rehab them. They are made to be as disposable as a Happy Meal.
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Old 02-20-2014, 09:33 AM
 
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Urban sprawl is a myth. It is an attempt by some people to control other people. It means "you cannot live there. You must live here.

You cannot drive wherever you want whenever. You cannot drive at all. You may ride a bicycle, but if you want to go far you must ride a train packed with all the other people.

You want to see the Grand Canyon? Fine. Get on the tour bus. We will provide you with binoculars.

Wal-Mart? How dare you! You will buy your things from this little local store that only has a few things, but they are all you need.

Because we say so. We know better than you."


You know it's true.
This entire post is true.
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Old 02-20-2014, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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This entire post is true.
No it isn't.
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Old 02-20-2014, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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Urban sprawl is a myth. It is an attempt by some people to control other people. It means "you cannot live there. You must live here.

You cannot drive wherever you want whenever. You cannot drive at all. You may ride a bicycle, but if you want to go far you must ride a train packed with all the other people.

You want to see the Grand Canyon? Fine. Get on the tour bus. We will provide you with binoculars.

Wal-Mart? How dare you! You will buy your things from this little local store that only has a few things, but they are all you need.

Because we say so. We know better than you."


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Some of us just want people to be able to choose the best tool for the job.

A car is a good tool to go to the Grand Canyon.

A car isn't necessarily the best choice to go to brunch a half mile from your house. Why not create infrastructure to let people choose between many modes of transportation to get there.

If the only housing we build if in a single use residential community, then where is the choice for people who want a different sort of housing option.

I prefer having a choice not to drive my car sometimes. But you can choose to drive yours. You can make space for me to walk or bike and still have room for you to drive. If more people walk and bike or take the bus there is even more room for you to drive and park your car.
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Old 02-20-2014, 02:25 PM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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No it isn't.
You need to reread some Forum active posters and see what they're really saying. Include yourself. You may not say it outright but the implication is there.

Check out Automotive where there's an active Why Do People Buy Pickups? thread.
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Old 02-20-2014, 02:56 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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You need to reread some Forum active posters and see what they're really saying. Include yourself. You may not say it outright but the implication is there.

Check out Automotive where there's an active Why Do People Buy Pickups? thread.
I am well aware what I am saying and if you are trying to imply I am anti-car then you would be incorrect.
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Old 02-20-2014, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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The trappings of modern suburban infrastructure, strip malls, big boxes, mcmansions, fast food shacks etc tends to age very badly in a relatively short period of time because they are not designed to last. So there's not much point or reward in trying to rehab them. They are made to be as disposable as a Happy Meal.
Kinda makes you wonder, then, why McDonald's et al remodel their stores every 8 or 10 years ...
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