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Old 06-18-2014, 11:08 AM
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Old 06-18-2014, 06:16 PM
 
Location: Seattle, WA
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Because the speed limit would have to be about 10 mph for that to happen. People on this forum were carrying on about how dangerous it was to have to walk through a strip-mall parking lot (which really is an example of cars sharing the road with peds) and the average speed in those lots is probably about 5 mph. I taught my kids how to cross the roads properly, including using the crosswalks, even if one wasn't painted on the intersection. I might remind you how long it would take for me to get the 4 1/2 mi to my work if the speed limit were 10 mph and I had to stop at all the lights. It'd probably take an hour! Your buses would have to travel at that speed as well.

"Even I acknowledged", LOL.
at 20 mph speed, 9 out of 10 pedestrians survive. AT 30 mph, this is 50%. At 40 mph, it's only 10%. 40 mph is WAY too fast for residential areas in cities and it encourages cut-through traffic. I think 25 is a good compromise and is most appropriate for residential areas. For driving under a mile to get to a main road, 25 mph is plenty fast. In many parts of the developed world, residential speeds are 25-30 KPH, so don't complain...
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Old 06-18-2014, 08:20 PM
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at 20 mph speed, 9 out of 10 pedestrians survive. AT 30 mph, this is 50%. At 40 mph, it's only 10%. 40 mph is WAY too fast for residential areas in cities and it encourages cut-through traffic. I think 25 is a good compromise and is most appropriate for residential areas. For driving under a mile to get to a main road, 25 mph is plenty fast. In many parts of the developed world, residential speeds are 25-30 KPH, so don't complain...
Scuse me? Where do you get that I'm complaining about a 25 mph speed limit in a residential area? And 9 out of 10 survivors means that one dies, 10 out of a hundred.

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Old 06-18-2014, 08:58 PM
 
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Cobblestone streets definitely slow a vehicle down.

Cobblestone will do the job. Or in this case brick.
Traditional masonry has a natural calming effect, and beautifies the city street.


Asphalt removal before and after









Fantastic results
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Old 06-19-2014, 12:53 AM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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Downtown areas and areas where their are a high mix of pedestrians, it makes sense to have speed limits below 15mph.
No matter what the speed limit is, drivers generally go 5-10MPH over the limit anyway.

We have an unusually high incidence of pedestrian deaths here in Las Vegas due to our 45MPH speed limits on the major avenues, and I dare you to find anyone in this racey town not doing 50-55-60MPH on those streets, and the danger is compounded by 3 lanes in each direction, and an island lane in the middle.

Many times, trying to cross over these 7 lanes, without a crosswalk, I've misjudged these "racers" in this city, and by the time I'm to Lane 7 and curb I'm all but run over!

I'm currently reading the book Speed Tribes, about the gangs in the Tokyo area. For fun, these gangs will clog up an expressway some night, not allowing anyone to pass them, and laugh away, with horns honking, inching along at 5MPH! We need that here in Las Vegas, from time to time!
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Old 06-19-2014, 06:49 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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No matter what the speed limit is, drivers generally go 5-10MPH over the limit anyway.

We have an unusually high incidence of pedestrian deaths here in Las Vegas due to our 45MPH speed limits on the major avenues, and I dare you to find anyone in this racey town not doing 50-55-60MPH on those streets, and the danger is compounded by 3 lanes in each direction, and an island lane in the middle.

Many times, trying to cross over these 7 lanes, without a crosswalk, I've misjudged these "racers" in this city, and by the time I'm to Lane 7 and curb I'm all but run over!

I'm currently reading the book Speed Tribes, about the gangs in the Tokyo area. For fun, these gangs will clog up an expressway some night, not allowing anyone to pass them, and laugh away, with horns honking, inching along at 5MPH! We need that here in Las Vegas, from time to time!
That is where light timing comes into play and not building seven lane roads with high speed limits in high pedestrian traffic areas. Though Vegas isn't actually a normal city so I wouldn't really count it as the same as what I was referring to.
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Old 06-19-2014, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Seattle, WA
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Scuse me? Where do you get that I'm complaining about a 25 mph speed limit in a residential area? And 9 out of 10 survivors means that one dies, 10 out of a hundred.
By "you" I didn't mean you personally, but the generic "you," should have used "one" or "anybody" ... sorry for the misunderstanding.

Obviously, reaction time (for drivers AND pedestrians getting out of the way!) and stopping distance factors in to this as well, so you would also have less pedestrians getting hit in the first place. AND on top of this a lower fraction of fatal collisions.
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Old 06-19-2014, 07:14 PM
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That is where light timing comes into play and not building seven lane roads with high speed limits in high pedestrian traffic areas. Though Vegas isn't actually a normal city so I wouldn't really count it as the same as what I was referring to.
Any street that is busy enough to need traffic lights is not a candidate for "woonerf", IMO.
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Old 06-19-2014, 08:15 PM
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Any street that is busy enough to need traffic lights is not a candidate for "woonerf", IMO.
Agreed. But I think they were talking about lower speed limits on commercial streets, not mixing cars and pedestrians in the street.
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Old 06-21-2014, 01:40 AM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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I'm currently reading the book Speed Tribes, about the gangs in the Tokyo area. For fun, these gangs will clog up an expressway some night, not allowing anyone to pass them, and laugh away, with horns honking, inching along at 5MPH! We need that here in Las Vegas, from time to time!
That sounds pretty amusing as long as they don't "ghost ride the whip."
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