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Old 04-01-2014, 08:34 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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You know, for an innocent comment about being prepared for winter driving by keeping boots, gloves, hat, etc in the car, it sure stirred up a storm! I will point out that another poster, who I believe is also from the midwest, agreed with me.

I work part time, and I don't really have a desk. Keeping shoes at work would not be practical for me. It obviously is practical for your wife. That's good. Just let me keep my boots in the car, so I have them when/if I need them. That works for me.
I was simply adding to your point on how women who commute by transit handle winter weather. I have also seen women carry their dress shoes in their bag for the ones I assume don't have a desk at work to keep them.
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Old 04-01-2014, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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I live in an City with enough transit that I could Probably manage to get home at 3a.m. if I wanted to from many places. The don'ts stem from the very nature of transit. It isn't like the bus somehow levitates down road and runs an route your car can not. The bus is confined to the street and if I drive I can have much more flexibility about when and where I go than if I take transit.

I don't have to call a cab or wait to go home if transit isn't available or stops running where I happened to be.

I don't have to follow the route of the bus. I can stop run errands and drop things off as I please.

I don't have to risk walking or waiting in dangerous locations at night to make transfers.

It is freedom.
Most people that commute to and from work tend to take the same route every time and the same time every day. We are creatures of habit and it is typically pretty easy to structure transit around those habits so that it is available for those that wish to use it. You may wish to drive, buy your neighbors may wish for transit.

Freedom is having options, walking, biking, driving, bus, trains, etc. When a car is the only option, you lose that freedom of choice.
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Old 04-01-2014, 08:40 AM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I was simply adding to your point on how women who commute by transit handle winter weather. I have also seen women carry their dress shoes in their bag for the ones I assume don't have a desk at work to keep them.
For G*d's sake! Whatever works, OK? Frankly, hauling shoes around seems like a lot of work.

If I were computer literate enough to post pictures, I'd post one of a dead horse being beaten!
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Old 04-01-2014, 08:45 AM
 
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Most people that commute to and from work tend to take the same route every time and the same time every day. We are creatures of habit and it is typically pretty easy to structure transit around those habits so that it is available for those that wish to use it. You may wish to drive, buy your neighbors may wish for transit.

Freedom is having options, walking, biking, driving, bus, trains, etc. When a car is the only option, you lose that freedom of choice.
Only in the burbs is the car the only option and even when you run the same route the Car can be the best option. It can carry things like children, groceries more easily.

Work does not always start or end at times when transit is available. Locally PACE sucks when you start getting outside of the 8-4\9-5 office working hours and if you need to work overtime(which for blue collar jobs is often not preplanned) it may either require you wait 30mins to an hour after work or not be there at all. The only situation where transit works best is if by train and if your workplace is near it, otherwise it is usually slower and less flexible.
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Old 04-01-2014, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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That is the downside of the DC Metro, it is really only used for commuting to and from work, most people in DC spend their leisure time within their own neighborhood where it is easy to reach things by foot or car.
People say this about a lot of cities on here, but there's no way to actually prove that. My suspicion is that the overwhelming majority of people in any city (DC especially) do not spend the majority of time within their own neighborhood (when they leave the house, that is). Most neighgborhoods in DC don't have grocery stores. Even if your neighborhood does have one, the quality of some are clearly better than others (Harris Teeter vs Giant), and people will often make a cross-town trip to go grocery shopping. Then there are just a variety of places you'd want to go (Mazza Gallerie, the Wharf, Capitol Hill) that are much easier to get to using a car.

Manhattan is about the only place in the United States where transit usually makes more sense to me than driving. But I actually drive in Manhattan quite frequently.

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Plus if you were going to see a movie, you would just go to a theater near you rather than commute to a neighborhood you didn't live in.
Didn't you read my post? I said that the theater closest to me was ghetto. The Georgetown theater is just much nicer in every possible way. I actually enjoy hearing the movies I'm watching rather than the newest Ciara album.
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Old 04-01-2014, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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For G*d's sake! Whatever works, OK? Frankly, hauling shoes around seems like a lot of work.

If I were computer literate enough to post pictures, I'd post one of a dead horse being beaten!
You are aware I am not arguing with you, right? I am simply saying that people deal with commuting in different ways. I always carry an umbrella and a lunch in my bag because you never know if it might rain, and it saves money having my lunch with me.
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Old 04-01-2014, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Only in the burbs is the car the only option and even when you run the same route the Car can be the best option. It can carry things like children, groceries more easily.

Work does not always start or end at times when transit is available. Locally PACE sucks when you start getting outside of the 8-4\9-5 office working hours and if you need to work overtime(which for blue collar jobs is often not preplanned) it may either require you wait 30mins to an hour after work or not be there at all. The only situation where transit works best is if by train and if your workplace is near it, otherwise it is usually slower and less flexible.
Yes, people in the suburbs are often times slaves to their cars because they are without options.

As for transit not being available, that has more to do with an inadequate system than it does transit not being able to handle people working a bit later or whatever. The problem you proposed can be solved by adding better service at a later hour, or having the person be aware of the transit schedule so they don't have to wait a half hour for the next bus or train.
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Old 04-01-2014, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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People say this about a lot of cities on here, but there's no way to actually prove that. My suspicion is that the overwhelming majority of people in any city (DC especially) do not spend the majority of time within their own neighborhood (when they leave the house, that is). Most neighgborhoods in DC don't have grocery stores. Even if your neighborhood does have one, the quality of some are clearly better than others (Harris Teeter vs Giant), and people will often make a cross-town trip to go grocery shopping. Then there are just a variety of places you'd want to go (Mazza Gallerie, the Wharf, Capitol Hill) that are much easier to get to using a car.

Manhattan is about the only place in the United States where transit usually makes more sense to me than driving. But I actually drive in Manhattan quite frequently.



Didn't you read my post? I said that the theater closest to me was ghetto. The Georgetown theater is just much nicer in every possible way. I actually enjoy hearing the movies I'm watching rather than the newest Ciara album.
I apologize, neighborhood isn't the correct word when referring to the DC metro, I meant to say town or county. If you work in DC and live in or around Tysons Corner, you aren't going to be commuting to Silver Springs to do your grocery shopping.
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Old 04-01-2014, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Norfolk, VA
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I don't particularly like driving, but a 15+ drive isn't exactly a hassle, either.
To each their own. I used to have a 20 minute commute that turned into an hour and fifteen minutes during rush hour. A lot of stop and go on I64, then a merge onto I264. If I tired to get off of I64 there was a lot of stop and go just trying to get off of the highway. Then, stop and go on Virginia Beach Boulevard. And this is a good day when there weren't any accidents, and no construction.

But if you're up for that sort of thing be my guest. And I know that's amateur hour compared to Washington DC and Richmond, where commutes are 2 hours or more. Day in and day out. It gets old after a while. 15 minutes to the grocery store. 25 minutes to the mall. Or what is close, which for me is downtown, you have to pay parking.
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Old 04-01-2014, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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I apologize, neighborhood isn't the correct word when referring to the DC metro, I meant to say town or county. If you work in DC and live in or around Tysons Corner, you aren't going to be commuting to Silver Springs to do your grocery shopping.
But I wasn't talking about Tyson's Corner. 99% of people in Tyson's Corner are going to be driving because they don't even have Metro (yet). I was talking about DC and how public transit is not competitive with driving outside of rush hour commutes to the CBD.

Oakland is even more car-centric than DC (and much more than Brooklyn). So I couldn't imagine trying to do most things sans car.
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