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Old 04-04-2014, 10:35 PM
 
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More people die of car crashes than cancer .......
Since when?
Auto accidents aren't even in the top ten unless you lump them into a larger category of "accidents" in general.
FASTSTATS - Leading Causes of Death
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Old 04-04-2014, 10:46 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Since when?
Auto accidents aren't even in the top ten unless you lump them into a larger category of "accidents" in general.
FASTSTATS - Leading Causes of Death
We have about 34K deaths a year in auto accidents and about 2.2 million people injured.
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Old 04-04-2014, 11:12 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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We have about 34K deaths a year in auto accidents and about 2.2 million people injured.
Source?

That is far fewer than:
Heart disease: 597,689
Cancer: 574,743
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 138,080
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 129,476

If so, auto accident deaths are about 28% of all accidental deaths.
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 120,859

(Numbers from IC_Delight's link)

Before anyone believes stats like "auto accidents kill more than cancer", they should verify, especially if the source is Atlantic Cities or some other publication with an agenda.
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Old 04-04-2014, 11:41 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Source?

That is far fewer than:
Heart disease: 597,689
Cancer: 574,743
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 138,080
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 129,476

If so, auto accident deaths are about 28% of all accidental deaths.
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 120,859

(Numbers from IC_Delight's link)

Before anyone believes stats like "auto accidents kill more than cancer", they should verify, especially if the source is Atlantic Cities or some other publication with an agenda.
My source was just a quick search on Wikipedia, I was simply stating that number to add to the conversation. Also, I didn't state that auto accidents kill more than cancer.
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Old 04-05-2014, 07:15 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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My source was just a quick search on Wikipedia, I was simply stating that number to add to the conversation. Also, I didn't state that auto accidents kill more than cancer.
I know that, I should have been more clear.

I Googled the stats, wiki was close for accidents; I see nothing for injuries, and the 2 million figure sounds high.
NHTSA Data Confirms Traffic Fatalities Increased In 2012 | National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA)
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Frankly, I do think people should be wary of statistics that sound screwy.

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Old 04-05-2014, 07:57 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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I know that, I should have been more clear.

I Googled the stats, wiki was close for accidents; I see nothing for injuries, and the 2 million figure sounds high.
NHTSA Data Confirms Traffic Fatalities Increased In 2012 | National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA)
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Frankly, I do think people should be wary of statistics that sound screwy.
Actually I thought 2 million sounded low with how many traffic accidents happen in this country a year.
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Old 04-05-2014, 07:59 AM
 
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I don't see where accident = violence. Accidents generally result from negligence whereas acts of violence are driven by malice and intent. These are two totally different scenarios and they are really not comparable.
Of course they are comparable. When looking at your own personal safety, why would you look at whether or not there is malice and intent? Harm is harm. From a legal perspective yes you would want to look at intent, but not from the perspective of which mode of transportation is safer. Transit is obviously safer.
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Old 04-05-2014, 08:06 AM
 
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Actually I thought 2 million sounded low with how many traffic accidents happen in this country a year.
It probably depends on how you describe "injury". Is a scratch an injury? Death is death, there's no gradation. I can't find any stats other than deaths.
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Old 04-05-2014, 08:07 AM
 
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I know that, I should have been more clear.

I Googled the stats, wiki was close for accidents; I see nothing for injuries, and the 2 million figure sounds high.
NHTSA Data Confirms Traffic Fatalities Increased In 2012 | National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA)
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Frankly, I do think people should be wary of statistics that sound screwy.
Thank you. Those touting "Wikipedia" as their source tend to not mention that anyone can go in and alter the Wikipedia description.

The CDC data from the link comes from a 2010 report found here:
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr61/nvsr61_04.pdf
The CDC report says motor vehicle accidents account for 18.6% of all accidental deaths which themselves are a smaller fraction of all causes of death. There are more deaths by suicide than by motor vehicle.

So if a bicyclist gets killed riding illegally in a freeway lane should it be classified as a suicide, a motor vehicle accident, or some other classification?

Wonder how many of the "motor vehicle accidents" were cases where the car's passengers were on their way to "park and ride" to take transit?

Transit proponents don't eliminate or reduce death rates with their propositions - moreover the congestion and unsanitary conditions ubiquitous with transit expose folks to a wide array of additional health risks including mugging, rape, assault, and virtually every communicable disease out there.






Here's an interesting transit story:

One dead, four injured by body parts after person hit by train at New Brunswick, NJ station
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If we're going to show stats for car accident death rates, perhaps the mass transit is more dangerous due to crime and disease should be backed up as well?

That link for the train accident was probably a suicide.
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