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Old 03-17-2014, 10:16 AM
 
Location: Norfolk, VA
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Everyone likes to point to the inability of older cities to annex surrounding areas when a city faces hardships but I an starting to feel that this is a cop out.

If a city has access to the natural resources it needs I am a bit confused as to the purpose of annexation when cities would be better served increasing infrastructure within city limits to accommodate increased density, as opposed to taking on urban sprawl associated with low density. Is annexation everything, or just another way for cities to grow?
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Old 03-17-2014, 10:45 AM
 
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It's needed to increase population and thus tax revenue. In the case of my metro's anchor, St. Louis (an independent city), the city wants to consolidate with the county, essentially annexing the county's many municipalities. It wants to do this so it can increase tax revenue and population and dilute the crime stats, which leave a bad impression of the city.
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Old 03-17-2014, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Norfolk, VA
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It's needed to increase population and thus tax revenue. In the case of my metro's anchor, St. Louis (an independent city), the city wants to consolidate with the county, essentially annexing the county's many municipalities. It wants to do this so it can increase tax revenue and population and dilute the crime stats, which leave a bad impression of the city.
This is probably one of the ways cities like Columbus, OH continue to boast low statistics. I actually had St. Louis in mind; I was watching a documentary about Pruitt-Igoe that mentioned annexation.
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Old 03-17-2014, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Youngstown, Oh.
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I agree that annexation only helps a city a little bit. It's the city's image that gets a real boost, for the reasons that OuttaTheLouBurbs stated. But, this change in perception can help a city's fortunes change for the better.

For example, look at Columbus, Ohio. It is seen by many as the shining star of Ohio's large cities. Yet, if you only look at the parts of the city that are within the 1950 city boundaries, it is just a smaller version of the other 2 C's.
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Old 03-17-2014, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Norfolk, VA
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I agree that annexation only helps a city a little bit. It's the city's image that gets a real boost, for the reasons that OuttaTheLouBurbs stated. But, this change in perception can help a city's fortunes change for the better.

For example, look at Columbus, Ohio. It is seen by many as the shining star of Ohio's large cities. Yet, if you only look at the parts of the city that are within the 1950 city boundaries, it is just a smaller version of the other 2 C's.
Agreed. Columbus was never a terribly exciting city. But people need jobs, and Columbus has always had a nice IT sector. Not to mention the State government there.
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Old 03-17-2014, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Youngstown, Oh.
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Agreed. Columbus was never a terribly exciting city. But people need jobs, and Columbus has always had a nice IT sector. Not to mention the State government there.
Don't forget the largest state university.
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Old 03-17-2014, 11:38 AM
 
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Also, in areas that can't annex, unless they form a city-county consolidated government, it is due to having a variety of incorporated communities versus places that can annex due to having surrounding communities/land that is unincorporated. With the latter, that fact makes annexation easier.
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Old 03-17-2014, 12:19 PM
 
Location: Norfolk, VA
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Also, in areas that can't annex, unless they form a city-county consolidated government, it is due to having a variety of incorporated communities versus places that can annex due to having surrounding communities/land that is unincorporated. With the latter, that fact makes annexation easier.
True. How many unincorporated places still exist as suburbs or exurbs of major metropolitan areas in this day and age?
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Old 03-17-2014, 12:57 PM
 
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Everyone likes to point to the inability of older cities to annex surrounding areas when a city faces hardships but I an starting to feel that this is a cop out.

If a city has access to the natural resources it needs I am a bit confused as to the purpose of annexation when cities would be better served increasing infrastructure within city limits to accommodate increased density, as opposed to taking on urban sprawl associated with low density. Is annexation everything, or just another way for cities to grow?

Look at your hypothesis. The purpose of the annexation was to take without giving in order to make the city (not the "new" residents) economically better off.

The city isn't trying to grow its marginal negative economics - it is trying to acquire a tax base without providing services in order that others be saddled with the public pension obligations, debt load, etc.
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Old 03-17-2014, 01:18 PM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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True. How many unincorporated places still exist as suburbs or exurbs of major metropolitan areas in this day and age?
To hear some of the people on the Pittsburgh forum tell it, every city to the west of them, and many to the south of them as well.

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Look at your hypothesis. The purpose of the annexation was to take without giving in order to make the city (not the "new" residents) economically better off.

The city isn't trying to grow its marginal negative economics - it is trying to acquire a tax base without providing services in order that others be saddled with the public pension obligations, debt load, etc.
Sometimes people want to be annexed to the city for better services.
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