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Old 04-04-2014, 11:24 PM
 
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Often times that is true, thankfully in Portland this square is surrounded by light rail tracks because this is a transit stop, and the streets surrounding it aren't that big and service more local vehicle traffic because they are not major roads besides Broadway Ave.

Funny you mention the square going all the way to the buildings, I really like that feature, and one of the newest plazas in downtown Portland actually goes to the building on one side so it sort of has that same effect.

Those are light rail lines? Ok cool. Refreshing to see something like that...a park or square that isn't flanked by vehicle traffic on all slides that is. Kudos to Portland. The park experience is kinda ruined not just by the noise of vehicle traffic but by the unsightliness of it as well. Maybe some of us are starting to understand how destructive automobile traffic can be when allowed to dominate the urban fabric. It makes our cities ugly and unlivable imo.
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Old 04-05-2014, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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That's what I hate about modern parks and squares. They tend to be surrounded by heavy vehicle traffic which is why you can't really relax in them because of all the noise (and air) pollution created by the fast-moving vehicle traffic on all sides.
You should move out into the country if traffic vexes you so.
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Old 04-05-2014, 12:29 PM
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You should move out into the country if traffic vexes you so.
why? Surely we can make non-rural places that are rather quiet of traffic.
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Old 04-05-2014, 12:54 PM
 
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why? Surely we can make non-rural places that are rather quiet of traffic.
Not unless you want to paralyze the economy of an area. The only way to get a quiet spot in an city is for the park itself to be large enough to get away from rail, bus, and cars.
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Old 04-05-2014, 12:55 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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You should move out into the country if traffic vexes you so.
Or we can make cities more pedestrian, bike, and transit friendly to reduce the need for auto traffic.
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Old 04-05-2014, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Not unless you want to paralyze the economy of an area. The only way to get a quiet spot in an city is for the park itself to be large enough to get away from rail, bus, and cars.
How would making it easier for people to walk, bike, and take transit paralyze a city?
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Old 04-05-2014, 01:10 PM
 
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How would making it easier for people to walk, bike, and take transit paralyze a city?
Because those roads carry goods in and out via trucks and people need to be able to get from one location to another in an timely fashion. Walking, biking and transit are all slower than driving most of the time.
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Old 04-05-2014, 01:23 PM
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Not unless you want to paralyze the economy of an area. The only way to get a quiet spot in an city is for the park itself to be large enough to get away from rail, bus, and cars.
Not all streets are that noisy. Side streets aren't noisy. This park shouldn't be very noisy, and the street isn't that big:

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=south...05.44,,0,-4.02
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Old 04-05-2014, 01:42 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Because those roads carry goods in and out via trucks and people need to be able to get from one location to another in an timely fashion. Walking, biking and transit are all slower than driving most of the time.
Yet people walk, bike, and take transit. If everyone only drove you would never be able to get anywhere because you would always be stuck in traffic.

Most goods delivered to stores and restaurants are usually done in the early hours or overnight hours in more urban areas.
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Old 04-05-2014, 01:44 PM
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Please keep the conversation on town squares rather than repeats of frequent conversations.
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