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Old 04-08-2014, 01:36 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Now if you want to talk about just Manhattan, commute times for anyone south of Upper East Side and Upper West Side is less than 30 minutes and even Upper Manhattan has an average commute time of 40 minutes. So commuting for much of Manhattan takes about 20-30 minutes.
There you go making up your own facts again. Can we all do make up our own facts? Or is that a liberty only you have been accorded?

61.0% of Dallas commuters have commutes that are less than 30 minutes. In Manhattan, that number is only 46.5%. Dallas also has more total commuters who get to work in less than 10 minutes (the Manhattan commuters who can do that are likely the ones living and working in Midtown or Downtown). Any way you cut it, Dallas commuters are getting to work faster than Manhattan commuters. There's no real "spin" you can put on this.
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Old 04-08-2014, 01:45 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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There you go making up your own facts again. Can we all do make up our own facts? Or is that a liberty only you have been accorded?

61.0% of Dallas commuters have commutes that are less than 30 minutes. In Manhattan, that number is only 46.5%. Dallas also has more total commuters who get to work in less than 10 minutes (the Manhattan commuters who can do that are likely the ones living and working in Midtown or Downtown). Any way you cut it, Dallas commuters are getting to work faster than Manhattan commuters. There's no real "spin" you can put on this.
Average Commute Times | WNYC

Here you go, I forgot to add this link seeing that those are not my facts. Also, if you could refrain from being rude, I am actually enjoying this conversation with you and have no interest in seeing it be a bunch of snarky comments coming from either side.

Do you mind sharing where your data comes from?
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Old 04-08-2014, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Do you mind sharing where your data comes from?
The Census.
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Old 04-08-2014, 01:50 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Especially since that objective isn't achieved.
They obviously achieve the objective if they move across the street from their job.

My point is simply that public transit doesn't correlate with shorter commute times. And in most cases, it's not even a guarantee to save time compared to driving.

I've always ridden transit because driving was not a practical alternative. It's never been an issue of time.
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Old 04-08-2014, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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The Census.
So you have a link to those statistics you gave?
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Old 04-08-2014, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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They obviously achieve the objective if they move across the street from their job.

My point is simply that public transit doesn't correlate with shorter commute times. And in most cases, it's not even a guarantee to save time compared to driving.

I've always ridden transit because driving was not a practical alternative. It's never been an issue of time.
That is a good reason why people use transit, I could imagine dealing with parking everyday in Manhattan.
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Old 04-08-2014, 01:53 PM
 
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So you have a link to those statistics you gave?
There's no "link." If you want to verify them, you can use the American Factfinder tool.

American FactFinder
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Old 04-08-2014, 01:56 PM
 
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That is a good reason why people use transit, I could imagine dealing with parking everyday in Manhattan.
But Manhattan is nothing like where most Americans work. There are only a handful of American cities where CBD parking/commuting is a complete PITA. The overwhelming majority of Americans don't even work in a CBD so it's a non-issue.
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Old 04-08-2014, 01:58 PM
 
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But Manhattan is nothing like where most Americans work. There are only a handful of American cities where CBD parking/commuting is a complete PITA.
That is true, Manhattan is a unique city for the US. Though I remember parking being insanely high in downtown Seattle.
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That is true, Manhattan is a unique city for the US. Though I remember parking being insanely high in downtown Seattle.
And your stats showed car commuters were a minority in downtown Seattle. I'm curious if with the light rail system fully built out, it would decrease substantially. [I hope it would, otherwise one of the main benefits would be gone]. Transit can do quite well for some commutes, however they're not the majority of American commutes.
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