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Old 04-08-2014, 04:11 PM
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It is commuter rail, you won't be waiting around for the next train. However if there is 30-1 hour between trains it could be faster to drive.
Unless you miss it. Good exercise (if walking to the station) is to leave too late and run to catch the train. Was fast enough I only missed it once.
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Old 04-08-2014, 04:16 PM
 
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Like I said, that's buying into stereotypes (which I thought were deplorable). The reality for mass transit systems during rush hour is much closer to this (for the most successful systems anyway) than it is to the photo I posted.

[URL]http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/images/stories/large/2012/10/09/20121008_6-Train-Vertical_BenC_6351.jpg[/URL]
I love the look on the face of the black guy. Priceless!
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Old 04-08-2014, 04:24 PM
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here's a crowded photo I've taken (I've been on even more crowded once or twice* but it was so crowded it rather difficult take a photo, especially using an SLR camera)

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.n...5_582725_n.jpg

*It was the Lexington Avenue. Might not have even been rush hour.
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Old 04-08-2014, 04:30 PM
 
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Chicago's rail is designed to get people in and our of the Loop, had the system continued to develop rather than been reduced and basically ignored during the mid century, Chicago would have a much more complex system roday.
It wasn't reduced or ignored. Some lines were eliminated but in terms of size and places it goes the EL today is better than it was before WWII. The lines that were eliminated where mostly very short and the Dan Ryan now serves those areas. The other line was made redundant by the Dearbourn street subway(and the subway has a better route downtown than it had).

In terms of post WWII changes to the EL, the el was extended northwest past Irving park in the 60ies eventually reaching O'hare in the 80ies. The Dan Ryan was built taking the EL south to 95th street in the 60ies, before it went no further south than 63rd. The Orange line was built in the 90ies serving the south west side(which had no service) and Midway airport.

Basically the lines that were eliminated were the stock yards line( a short loop around the stock yards--bus/ Dan Ryan), the Humboldt park(the subway has a better route downtown), the Kenwood and Normal park(Dan Ryan replaced them).

The only line that today might have been worth keeping would have been the Westchester branch which served the west burbs and even then it would have to be an Evanston express type operation(or a Skokie Swift type) on the blue line for it to make any sense.

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Old 04-08-2014, 04:35 PM
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Chicago's El has expanded more than the NYC subway post-WWII [which is a rather low bar]
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Old 04-08-2014, 05:00 PM
 
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It is commuter rail, you won't be waiting around for the next train. However if there is 30-1 hour between trains it could be faster to drive.



Like what ban baby strollers which are slow to get on board? Cancel Cub games? Tell the throngs of people who are overloading the train go elsewhere? When there is only about 7-8 mins between trains and if each stop takes 1-2 mins. longer than planed, delays will creep in.
Depends, but if a specific Metra train gets you to work on time everyday, why not plan your morning around that?

Yeah, that comes back to needing improvements to the system, the Addison stop needs to be completely rebuilt, the platform is too small for the amount of people that move through there during a game day, and could use an extra set of tracks for a loading train so it doesn't cause delays.
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Old 04-08-2014, 05:15 PM
 
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Depends, but if a specific Metra train gets you to work on time everyday, why not plan your morning around that?

Yeah, that comes back to needing improvements to the system, the Addison stop needs to be completely rebuilt, the platform is too small for the amount of people that move through there during a game day, and could use an extra set of tracks for a loading train so it doesn't cause delays.
People who work downtown but live in the burbs do. People who live in the city less so because commuter rail is expensive and infrequent compared to the alternative(unless you live somewhere where there is no
EL nearby). People who live in the city but work in the burbs would find Metra less useful.

An expansion like that is not going to happen(too costly and politically difficult due to the need to tear down buildings). Also this station is very near the Belmont station and kind of serves the same area.
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Old 04-08-2014, 05:54 PM
 
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It is commuter rail, you won't be waiting around for the next train. However if there is 30-1 hour between trains it could be faster to drive.



Like what ban baby strollers which are slow to get on board? Cancel Cub games? Tell the throngs of people who are overloading the train go elsewhere? When there is only about 7-8 mins between trains and if each stop takes 1-2 mins. longer than planed, delays will creep in.
There is a difference between a minor delay and a significant one. Does the el have a set schedule or a set duration between trains? For example, if the train has 7-10 minute head ways, and train 2 comes 6 minutes after the first and train 3 is 9 minutes after that is I the acceptable range. But if the target is 7-8 minutes and one train comes 3 minutes later then the next comes 15 minutes later, that is an issue.
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Old 04-08-2014, 05:56 PM
 
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People who work downtown but live in the burbs do. People who live in the city less so because commuter rail is expensive and infrequent compared to the alternative(unless you live somewhere where there is no
EL nearby). People who live in the city but work in the burbs would find Metra less useful.

An expansion like that is not going to happen(too costly and politically difficult due to the need to tear down buildings). Also this station is very near the Belmont station and kind of serves the same area.
I believe Metra is primarily for people who commute downtown and not local commuting in Chicagoland.
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Old 04-08-2014, 05:58 PM
 
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There is a difference between a minor delay and a significant one. Does the el have a set schedule or a set duration between trains? For example, if the train has 7-10 minute head ways, and train 2 comes 6 minutes after the first and train 3 is 9 minutes after that is I the acceptable range. But if the target is 7-8 minutes and one train comes 3 minutes later then the next comes 15 minutes later, that is an issue.

Set schedule, what they usually do if a train starts running late is run that train express to get it back on schedule. Which means that if your station is one being skipped you may have to leave the train and board the next. If they are extremely delayed then the next one might run express past your station too.
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