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Old 07-01-2014, 09:48 PM
 
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In Pittsburgh the reason is generally "because I work downtown".

Downtown Pittsburgh is a relatively small triangle of land, hemmed in between the three rivers
and many hills. It contains many tall skyscrapers, and an extremely limited amount of parking.
The parking that is available is quite expensive (a combination of scarcity and extreme taxes imposed
to pay off pension obligations to city workers). As an average office worker it is most likely cost-prohibitive
for you to drive there and park every day. People either ride public transit, or if they live farther out, drive
to a park-and-ride lot and finish the journey into town that way.

The transit system, having it's own issues with over-extended pensions and poor management, maintains
a very inconvenient schedule, which makes most people dread using it. Rush hour cars on the local light rail system are typically packed like sardine cans.

The predictable result being an outflow of office jobs to new suburban office parks that offer acres of free parking.
Similar for Chicago. Parking downtown is expensive as well as traffic so most people use transit if working downtown. Work elsewhere in the city and this does not hold.
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Old 07-01-2014, 09:55 PM
 
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I think he might have been referring to paved roads. I know Portland still had lots of dirt roads in the early 1900s.

Nah it was simply lack of autos. There were roads and Chicago had paved streets for bicyclist. It is just that until the invention of the auto trains and trolleys were the best way to travel in terms of speed and cost and horses are of limited use to people who live in cities because they cost so much and need to be feed/housed/taken care of. For the most part if you lived in an city you would not own an horse but if you lived on an farm you would. Once people can get their own cars use of public transit plummets and people start living farther from work.
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Old 07-04-2014, 03:13 PM
 
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Similar for Chicago. Parking downtown is expensive as well as traffic so most people use transit if working downtown. Work elsewhere in the city and this does not hold.
You'd be surprised at how many use Metra to get from one suburb to another. While no parking charges apply, the expressway system is not as well developed as you get further out. It can easily take an hour to get from Fox Lake to Lake Forest, which makes a 20 minute train ride look pretty good.

Someone mentioned horses in the old days. Considering that manure and sometimes dead horses piled up in the city streets, we can be glad we are not going back to that mode.

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Old 07-08-2014, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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You'd be surprised at how many use Metra to get from one suburb to another. While no parking charges apply, the expressway system is not as well developed as you get further out. It can easily take an hour to get from Fox Lake to Lake Forest, which makes a 20 minute train ride look pretty good.

Someone mentioned horses in the old days. Considering that manure and sometimes dead horses piled up in the city streets, we can be glad we are not going back to that mode.
Whenever I walk through Central Park in Manhattan, I am thankful we no longer use horses for transportation. The amount of manure you have to dodge is horrible and when it is hot out, that is basically a cooking pile of poo.

I misread your post at first, I was gonna say I am not surprised how many people use Metra, but then I noticed you said from suburb to suburb. That is an interesting point that I am actually surprised about.

I don't know much about Metra, but from what I can see it seems like a good example on how to build a suburban rail system. A number of the stations either have little urban centers or the ability to build urban centers around them.

Chicago has always seems like the correct way to build a large American city, granted they had plenty of prairie land to build the city on. It is definitely in my top three favorite cities in the US.
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Old 07-09-2014, 12:43 AM
 
Location: Silicon Valley
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I use transit for several reasons. The first is that I dislike the task of driving very much, and have no desire to do it with any sort of frequency. I don't even have a license. The second is that my school offers free public transit passes. Much better than paying for driving lessons, then paying for a car, then paying for gas and insurance. I also like having a relaxing commute where I can kick back and read or browse the internet, and I never have to deal with community college parking.
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Old 07-09-2014, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Northville, MI
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Because of Tolls, parking, and traffic, Its more feasible to use transit while going to NYC or Philly.

Otherwise, one must drive here to go places. Even though the traffic can get very annoying, there is really not much of an option to my town .
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Old 07-15-2014, 11:29 AM
 
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The Associated Press
MOSCOW —
A subway train derailed Tuesday deep below Moscow's streets, twisting and mangling crowded rail cars at the height of the morning rush hour. At least 21 people were killed, Russian officials said, and 136 more were hospitalized, many with serious injuries.


Rush-hour Moscow subway derails: 21 dead, 136 hurt | www.statesman.com
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Old 07-15-2014, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Youngstown, Oh.
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Tragic.

Seems off-topic for this thread, though.
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Old 07-15-2014, 12:40 PM
 
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Tragic.

Seems off-topic for this thread, though.
Perhaps you would prefer the thread "why people don't use transit"?
Seems to me you don't have much of an analysis for the "why they do" unless you also consider the "why they don't"
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Old 07-15-2014, 07:37 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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The Associated Press
MOSCOW
A subway train derailed Tuesday deep below Moscow's streets, twisting and mangling crowded rail cars at the height of the morning rush hour. At least 21 people were killed, Russian officials said, and 136 more were hospitalized, many with serious injuries.


Rush-hour Moscow subway derails: 21 dead, 136 hurt | www.statesman.com
Terrible train accident, but it doesn't have anything to do with this thread if you are trying to use it as a reason why people don't use transit....I could easily argue your point with fatal car accidents. 80 people die each day from vehicle accidents.

So in one day, 21 dead in a train accident in Moscow, 80 people dead from vehicle accidents in the US the same day. Looks like trains are still safer.
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