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View Poll Results: NJ Turnpike VS. Tri-State tollway (I 294).
NJ Turnpike 4 66.67%
Tri State Tollway 2 33.33%
Voters: 6. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-17-2014, 09:54 PM
 
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The Northeast Corridor NJ Transit / Amtrak line is roughly parellel to the Turnpike, south of New Brunswick a bit further but population is lower further south. It'd make no sense to have a duplicate line, the current NJ Transit is one of the faster and better served regional lines in the country. It doesn't carry much in the way of freight but there might be other routes available.
A "duplicate" line would imply some redundancy, no? I mean, why have 295 when you have the Turnpike right next to it? Why have 95 across the river when 295 is right there? It's probably because there's too much traffic for any one road to handle.

Amtrak wants to build a completely new corridor to handle high speed trains because the NEC is overwhelmed with local, regional and freight traffic. And you're right, the NEC itself doesn't carry much in the way of freight because there's not much room for it (except at night) and too much of it ruins the tracks anyway.

But the amount of freight leaving Port Elizabeth/Newark on the back of trucks is a serious regional issue - mostly owing the anemic freight rail network to which there has been no shortage of solutions proposed from double stack clearance projects to the PIDN/barge network that seems to be coming along in fits and starts.
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Old 04-18-2014, 05:11 AM
 
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below 9 to 4 it is pretty barren actually
No Way, The 8 A merge is a Monstrous bottle neck . I traverse that stretch on Route 130 instead. Currently the Turnpike is being widened into 12 lanes from exit 8 A to 6. If I am going to Philly Airport, I typically use 295 and Walt Whitman, not the turnpike.

For me, the fastest flowing part of the turnpike is from exit 9 to 12.

I wonder what will happen if turnpike exit numbers were changed to align with milepost numbers .
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Old 04-18-2014, 10:16 PM
 
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But the amount of freight leaving Port Elizabeth/Newark on the back of trucks is a serious regional issue - mostly owing the anemic freight rail network to which there has been no shortage of solutions proposed from double stack clearance projects to the PIDN/barge network that seems to be coming along in fits and starts.
There was another freight track from South Amboy to Bordentown. However, it's cut between Cranbury and Hightstown, I don't know if the ROW is preserved.
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Old 04-19-2014, 06:08 AM
 
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There was another freight track from South Amboy to Bordentown. However, it's cut between Cranbury and Hightstown, I don't know if the ROW is preserved.
Its being ripped apart now.

Freights going south and west currently use the Port reading line and then go south after Reading junction to reach Baltimore, DC, and other southern or west for reaching lower Midwestern cities like St Louis, Indianapolis, Cincinnati, and Louisville. CSX port reading line is the artery for freights in NJ approaching from the Southeast or lower Midwest. Freights going north or upper Midwest usually use the NYS & W main line and connect with the Eire main line Via southern tier cities. To new England, the Hudson valley freight line is used.

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Old 04-19-2014, 06:59 AM
 
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Its being ripped apart now.

Freights going south and west currently use the Port reading line and then go south after Reading junction to reach Baltimore, DC, and other southern or west for reaching lower Midwestern cities like St Louis, Indianapolis, Cincinnati, and Louisville. CSX port reading line is the artery for freights in NJ approaching from the Southeast or lower Midwest. Freights going north or upper Midwest usually use the NYS & W main line and connect with the Eire main line Via southern tier cities. To new England, the Hudson valley freight line is used.
There aren't many Delaware River rail crossings. Are there 7? and only one south of Trenton.

. . . but compared to the Hudson River crossings that's a plethora.
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Old 04-19-2014, 07:09 AM
 
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There aren't many Delaware River rail crossings. Are there 7? and only one south of Trenton.

. . . but compared to the Hudson River crossings that's a plethora.
The Hudson has only 2 tunnels. I think a rail bridge from Rockland to Weschester county would do a lot towards expanding metro north services in southern NY, and perhaps help restore rail service to the southern tier and Scranton from NYC using an alternative route.

Yes, there is also only one river crossing south of Trenton on the delaware, and that's the delair Bridge. One from West Deptford to the airport would help a lot though, especially for NJ residents who want to access Philly airport via public transit. Another freight bridge from Paulusboro to Tinicum would be very helpful as well.

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Old 04-19-2014, 07:26 AM
 
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Isnt there two rail crossings South of Trenton (though the river becomes much wider there), the one by the Walt Whitman and thought there is one closer to Burlington NJ (maybe am wrong though)

I gues technically you could say the Ben has a rail crossing but is exclusive to a subway line in PATCO
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Old 04-19-2014, 07:36 AM
 
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Isnt there two rail crossings South of Trenton (though the river becomes much wider there), the one by the Walt Whitman and thought there is one closer to Burlington NJ (maybe am wrong though)

I gues technically you could say the Ben has a rail crossing but is exclusive to a subway line in PATCO
Oh yeah, I completely forgot about the Ben . That makes it 2 crossings. There is no rail crossing in Burlington though. You must be talking about the route 413 bridge.
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Old 04-19-2014, 07:41 AM
 
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Oh yeah, I completely forgot about the Ben . That makes it 2 crossings. There is no rail crossing in Burlington though. You must be talking about the route 413 bridge.
could be wrong, for some reason I feel like there was one but actually went to the maps and could not find it

I wonder if the Walt could be retro-fitted for a Patco spur, link with the Navy Yard BSL (could actually loop back to the other Patco Line) or even the airport

the DE gets pretty wide down that way and even wider below as it starts to open toward the bay
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Old 04-19-2014, 07:57 AM
 
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could be wrong, for some reason I feel like there was one but actually went to the maps and could not find it

I wonder if the Walt could be retro-fitted for a Patco spur, link with the Navy Yard BSL (could actually loop back to the other Patco Line) or even the airport

the DE gets pretty wide down that way and even wider below as it starts to open toward the bay
True, but the Walt is under reconstruction and maintenance when I last traveled along it to the airport Via car. Additionally, I believe that the structure needs to be modified immensely, for which it is better just to build a new bridge.
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