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Old 05-03-2014, 12:30 AM
 
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Yeah, #1 and #3 are pretty awful but I kinda like Liverpool, NY. Reminds me of Steveston in British Columbia (where "Once Upon a Time" shoots all their Storybrooke scenes). Although things may be farther apart, it seems the pleasantness of the walk would make up for that.
Yes, it is a nice village and has a nice, big park by the lake.
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Old 05-03-2014, 01:02 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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You are exactly right. I am moving to a Cleveland suburb, Cleveland Heights, to a bustling neighborhood that has a supermarket, bus service, restaurants, a bookstore, little ma and pa shops, lots of grass and trees and everything my city neighborhood in Portland OR where I live now has to offer. People who lump all suburbs into one mold are obviously not educated in urban planning which also includes the various suburban areas that surround urban areas.
I would consider Hawthorne to be more of an inner city neighborhood, or a streetcar suburb neighborhood over suburbs typically found outside of the inner city.

Again, if suburbs were designed like Hawthorne, we wouldn't be talking about the problems with suburbs.
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Old 05-03-2014, 06:56 AM
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i would consider hawthorne to be more of an inner city neighborhood, or a streetcar suburb neighborhood over suburbs typically found outside of the inner city.

Again, if suburbs were designed like hawthorne, we wouldn't be talking about the problems with suburbs.
All suburbs are different! I don't understand why "we" consider suburbs a "problem".
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Old 05-03-2014, 07:12 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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All suburbs are different! I don't understand why "we" consider suburbs a "problem".
And most suburbs are not designed to be walkable because zoning is often times segregated, and cul-de-sacs make it difficult to walk to places efficiently.
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Old 05-03-2014, 07:20 AM
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And most suburbs are not designed to be walkable because zoning is often times segregated, and cul-de-sacs make it difficult to walk to places efficiently.
"Most"? Document. Cities have zoning too. "Mixed use" is within parameters.
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Old 05-03-2014, 07:37 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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"Most"? Document. Cities have zoning too. "Mixed use" is within parameters.
Yes, and suburbs tend to do segregated zoning and cul-de-sac developments.
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Old 05-03-2014, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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And most suburbs are not designed to be walkable because zoning is often times segregated, and cul-de-sacs make it difficult to walk to places efficiently.
LMAO, cities have zoning, too. In my Cincinnati neighborhood, I was prohibited from setting up a chiropractor's office, opening a coffee shop or car repair shop, or dividing my house into apartments.

Oh, and cul-de-sacs open up onto other streets. I'm capable of walking to the end of the cul-de-sac and continuing on my merry way.
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Old 05-03-2014, 08:01 AM
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Again, please stay on the thread topic. We don't need another city vs suburbs argument.
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Old 05-03-2014, 08:04 AM
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LMAO, cities have zoning, too. In my Cincinnati neighborhood, I was prohibited from setting up a chiropractor's office, opening a coffee shop or car repair shop, or dividing my house into apartments.

Oh, and cul-de-sacs open up onto other streets. I'm capable of walking to the end of the cul-de-sac and continuing on my merry way.
Exactly! Denver, the city, has many rules about what can be built where. One time, a developer wanted to build some condos on an old amusement park site. When the neighbors objected to the rezoning request, he threatened to build a video arcade, which was permitted w/o a zoning change. (The condos got built.)

And yes, cul-de-sacs open out onto another street. If you don't live on the cul, you don't have to walk up it to get somewhere else, by very definition!
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Old 05-03-2014, 08:13 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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LMAO, cities have zoning, too. In my Cincinnati neighborhood, I was prohibited from setting up a chiropractor's office, opening a coffee shop or car repair shop, or dividing my house into apartments.

Oh, and cul-de-sacs open up onto other streets. I'm capable of walking to the end of the cul-de-sac and continuing on my merry way.
Yes, cities have zoning too, and a number of cities suffer from segregated zoning as well which makes destinations one would go to out of the walking distance one would do on a regular basis.

Cul-de-sacs create much bigger problems due to their lack of connectivity. Yes, they are connected on one side, but what if you need to go the other direction and there is no cut through for pedestrians? What if the most efficient way to get to some place would be cutting down a cul-de-sac, but due to the lack of a pedestrian cut through, you have to take the long way around which doubles the length of your trip and making it no longer efficient?

I ask these questions because this is the type of suburbs I grew up in, and they are the type of suburbs I have seen across this country. Had we still built suburbs like we did during the streetcar suburb era, we would have much better walking neighborhoods, and you would be able to increase the density of your home and add a business (which sounds like Cincinnati might have regressive zoning laws.)

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