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Old 10-14-2014, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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About 2% of San Francisco isn't walkable, and downtown is a small part of it, depending what you consider downtown. The FiDi is about half a square mile, which is what most people consider downtown. It's also not particularly "dense" by population count being below the population density of San Francisco as a whole. Way more people work there than the 10,000 or so that live there.
Exactly, so the people that live in walkable neighborhoods in SF probably rely on transit to get them to work if they work downtown, which once they get to downtown, they will walk to everything they need.
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Old 10-14-2014, 07:22 PM
 
Location: Vallejo
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Exactly, so the people that live in walkable neighborhoods in SF probably rely on transit to get them to work if they work downtown, which once they get to downtown, they will walk to everything they need.
Except they don't. 34% of people drove and 34% of people used transit.

http://archives.sfmta.com/cms/rbikes..._FinalJULY.pdf
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Old 10-14-2014, 07:25 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Except they don't. 34% of people drove and 34% of people used transit.

http://archives.sfmta.com/cms/rbikes..._FinalJULY.pdf
Actually 34% is pretty good numbers, especially when it is even with those that drive into downtown. Though I would bet that some of those that drive will park and walk to things they need to go to rather than move from parking spot to parking spot downtown. I do recall parking to be tough down there.

It looks like that 34% that drive includes those that also car pool.

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"Over one-third of respondents (34%) normally travel to work via transit, while 27% drive alone, 8%
walk, and 7% ride with others.

 About 20% of respondents ride a bicycle at least some of the time in San Francisco. Among those
who ride a bicycle, about one-quarter say they ride only for recreation.

 Among those who ride a bicycle in the City, the average cyclist in San Francisco rides about 2 days
per 7-day week. (Based on response to Q4 on this survey)"
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Old 10-14-2014, 07:48 PM
 
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Auto-centrism has a strange way of creeping into urban design in even transit-rich places. This building is located 250 feet away from a subway stop.

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Washi...=12,40.25,,0,0

Was the two lane driveway to the garage really necessary here?
It's also located right near one of the major highways through the District. So.... yes?
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Old 10-14-2014, 08:37 PM
 
Location: Vallejo
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It's also located right near one of the major highways through the District. So.... yes?
Yup. Big thing in reality land is called "multi-modal." That's a perfect example of it. Just because there's a subway stop doesn't mean people don't drive.
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Old 10-14-2014, 09:06 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Yup. Big thing in reality land is called "multi-modal." That's a perfect example of it. Just because there's a subway stop doesn't mean people don't drive.
Nothing wrong with providing options for commuting.
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Old 10-14-2014, 09:15 PM
 
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The problem is that people have vastly different ideas of what building for human beings entails. Suburbs are built for human beings. Cities are built for human beings. You have bigoted individuals with overly rigid views who refuse to accept the simple fact that just because something isn't built to their exact specifications it's bad. They call it things like "built for cars," which is of course nonsense. It's built for people. Most people prefer to get around by car.

Nothing wrong with making suburbs more walkable, that's a great goal. But that really doesn't satisfy these people. Unless a place is so horrible to drive in that technological advances do not make life easier, they'll attack it and anyone who prefers that built environment as opposed to their preferred environment.
It works both ways. Someone who complains that a place is "horrible to drive in" can also be considered a bigot because the built environment does not cater to them.
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Old 10-14-2014, 09:38 PM
 
Location: Vallejo
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It works both ways. Someone who complains that a place is "horrible to drive in" can also be considered a bigot because the built environment does not cater to them.
No, you just don't know what the word means. Someone preferring to live where it's horrible to drive (thus forcing people to walk or take transit) isn't necessarily a bigot. Someone who complains that a place is horrible to drive in likewise is not necessarily a bigot. One likes to live in such an environment, whereas another does not like to live in such an environment. This is a simple disagreement. Person A likes it where it's horrible to drive; Person B does not like it where it is horrible to drive. No bigotry is implied there on either side.
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Old 10-14-2014, 09:51 PM
 
Location: Thunder Bay, ON
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Interesting to see SF's mode share. Comparing District 1 ("greater downtown") to the electoral ridings (voting districts) of Toronto Centre and Trinity Spadina which include Downtown Toronto and then some, District 1 has about 190,000 residents vs 265,000 for the 2 Downtown Toronto ridings.

Commute mode share

SF Core:
20% walk
8% bike
43% transit
31% drive/carpool

Toronto Core
29% walk
6% bike
36% transit
26% drive/carpool

So less walking in SF by a non-insignificant number and more of the other 3 modes.
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Old 10-14-2014, 09:52 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Where I live is a walkable neighborhood that isn't horrible to drive in, it is also easy to bike in. The only people who would think it was horrible would be people who didn't like having to park on the street because most of the businesses don't have parking lots even though you can usually find a spot close to where you are going.
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