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Old 10-15-2014, 03:42 PM
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That's fine, whether their results are applicable to more walkable areas is the issue I have with it. It's outside the realm of the study, so it doesn't tell us much. And having some urban planning knowledge would be helpful in formulating what would urban structures might have an effect on people's behavior.
Almost every research article I have ever read in human behavior, e.g. pubic health stuff, says the findings cannot be applied elsewhere. Some of you urban planners want to generalize from one study. You can't do that. You have to do the research somewhere else, and somewhere else, etc. Then you can say, "the preponderance of the evidence shows. . .".
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Old 10-15-2014, 03:45 PM
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Almost every research article I have ever read in human behavior, e.g. pubic health stuff, says the findings cannot be applied elsewhere. Some of you urban planners want to generalize from one study. You can't do that. You have to do the research somewhere else, and somewhere else, etc. Then you can say, "the preponderance of the evidence shows. . .".
I know that quite well. That is why I objected to the study, it didn't seem applicable to the subject due to their sample.
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Old 10-15-2014, 03:59 PM
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I know that quite well. That is why I objected to the study, it didn't seem applicable to the subject due to their sample.
It was applicable to Phoenix. Whether urban planners like it or not.
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Old 10-15-2014, 04:03 PM
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It was applicable to Phoenix. Whether urban planners like it or not.
Well, yes, I never argued it wasn't applicable to Phoenix.
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Old 10-15-2014, 04:21 PM
 
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Why not? One would think that's the whole premise!
Why not? Because "capable of being walked" applies to everywhere there isn't an impassable barrier between two locations. Walkable implies an area is not just capable of being traversed on foot, but actually encourages walking (and biking, as the case may be).
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Old 10-15-2014, 04:28 PM
 
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Why not? Because "capable of being walked" applies to everywhere there isn't an impassable barrier between two locations. Walkable implies an area is not just capable of being traversed on foot, but actually encourages walking (and biking, as the case may be).
It shouldn't imho. I can think of places that are not capable of being walked sure you can walk but you will be walking in mud or someone's grass.
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Old 10-15-2014, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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huh? who said anything about hipster bars?
It's a common urbanist "need", mentioned to provide drama. Surely the mention is just as valid as describing suburban dwellers as soulless, another common term you see tossed about here right and left.

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It's a bad thing in the sense it's not interesting from a practicality or transportation sense. I don't associate walking in a neighborhood with exercise myself, at least in warmer weather, I get exercise from bicycling.
Since when is your choice of exercise (bike) more valid or interesting than someone else's (walk)? Surely you jest.
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Old 10-15-2014, 05:34 PM
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I am capable of walking to things three miles away. Are they walkable? No.
Huh? Say a hipster bar is three miles from your house. So what? It's probably right around the corner from someone else's. I don't get that line of reasoning. I think I said early on that personal safety is my biggest concern with walking. That means different things to different people. Some say "sidewalks". Some (you) say they're not necessary everywhere. Some freak out at curb cuts, some think having to walk some feet across a parking lot is an impediment to walking (though they think kids should play in the street), some think cars parked on the street are necessary. If it's that personal, e.g. if it's three miles from YOUR house it's not walkable apparently for anyone, nothing's walkable.
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Old 10-15-2014, 05:39 PM
 
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Huh? Say a hipster bar is three miles from your house. So what? It's probably right around the corner from someone else's. I don't get that line of reasoning. I think I said early on that personal safety is my biggest concern with walking. That means different things to different people. Some say "sidewalks". Some (you) say they're not necessary everywhere. Some freak out at curb cuts, some think having to walk some feet across a parking lot is an impediment to walking (though they think kids should play in the street), some think cars parked on the street are necessary. If it's that personal, e.g. if it's three miles from YOUR house it's not walkable apparently for anyone, nothing's walkable.
Then the neighborhood that has those things within walking distance, would be considered more walkable than those neighborhoods that have to walk three miles to get to those same things.
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Old 10-15-2014, 05:39 PM
 
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Operational Definition of Walkable Neighborhood: Empirical and Theoretical Insights | Active Living Research

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