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Old 04-28-2014, 03:37 PM
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That is messed up, the driver was definitely at fault for that. Good thing the woman wasn't killed because of ice on the crosswalk.
The woman was almost under the driver's car to begin with. It's a little hard to see someone like that.

You guys that like to bike in the winter on icy roads should keep this in mind, too. One skid and you could be toast.
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Old 04-28-2014, 03:39 PM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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Look left-right-left is what I remember. Did that in London, and almost got hit.
So ... In London, we should be looking right-left-right. That would seriously mess with my head, but then again if I'm driving on the left with a right-hand drive, I'd be messed up already. LOL

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Environments can be changed to make places safer for pedestrians. There are numerous case studies with this that have been very successful.
You still have to watch where you're going. You can eliminate cars altogether and still have stupid pedestrians making stupid mistakes. D'oh!
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Old 04-28-2014, 04:00 PM
 
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The woman was almost under the driver's car to begin with. It's a little hard to see someone like that.

You guys that like to bike in the winter on icy roads should keep this in mind, too. One skid and you could be toast.
She was still in the crosswalk when it happened. Drivers should also be aware of pedestrians and bicyclists when driving on icy roads.
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Old 04-28-2014, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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So ... In London, we should be looking right-left-right. That would seriously mess with my head, but then again if I'm driving on the left with a right-hand drive, I'd be messed up already. LOL


You still have to watch where you're going. You can eliminate cars altogether and still have stupid pedestrians making stupid mistakes. D'oh!
I agree, one should watch where they are going, but if one is crossing at a crosswalk and a car behind them makes a right hand turn without making sure there aren't pedestrians in the way, the car becomes more of a danger than the pedestrian.

It still doesn't change the fact that if you get behind the wheel of a car, you must pay attention to your surroundings at all times, not just most of the time.
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Old 04-28-2014, 04:22 PM
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She was still in the crosswalk when it happened. Drivers should also be aware of pedestrians and bicyclists when driving on icy roads.
Nowhere in the article does it say that, and it is not clear which "she" you are referring to. The victim was lying in the road.

FROM THE LINK:

**Officers determined the car's driver stopped on Vivian in the northbound lane and was waiting to turn right onto Sixth Street. She saw Brawner and was waiting for her to cross, according to investigators, but turned her head to look for cross traffic.

When the driver looked back to her right, Brawner was no longer visible. The driver did not know she had fallen in front of the car and proceeded to turn right, running over Brawner, police reported. A witness saw the accident and waved down the driver, who remained on scene. She was not ticketed.
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https://www.google.com/maps/place/Vi...39a2c44dcc27fc

Your expectations of the driver are not humanly possible.

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Old 04-28-2014, 04:59 PM
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Nowhere in the article does it say that, and it is not clear which "she" you are referring to. The victim was lying in the road.
From the article, the pedestrian was crossing at the intersection, so either a crosswalk or "implied crosswalk". The driver saw her, but then when she had checked again, she couldn't see the pedestrian, because the pedestrian had slipped and was no longer visible. However, the pedestrian was probably still in the crosswalk/implied crosswalk after falling unless she slid on the road.
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Old 04-28-2014, 05:11 PM
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From the article, the pedestrian was crossing at the intersection, so either a crosswalk or "implied crosswalk". The driver saw her, but then when she had checked again, she couldn't see the pedestrian, because the pedestrian had slipped and was no longer visible. However, the pedestrian was probably still in the crosswalk/implied crosswalk after falling unless she slid on the road.
Yes, "probably". For all the driver knew, she had crossed the road. It's a fairly narrow street. What else would you think if you didn't see her in the crosswalk? And yes, it's an implied crosswalk.
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Old 04-28-2014, 05:15 PM
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Yes, "probably". For all the driver knew, she had crossed the road. It's a fairly narrow street. What else would you think if you didn't see her in the crosswalk? And yes, it's an implied crosswalk.
That's what it sounds like the driver thought. However, the pedestrian was in an implied crosswalk so slipping would suggests she's still in the crosswalk, fallen.
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Old 04-28-2014, 05:16 PM
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That's what it sounds like the driver thought. However, the pedestrian was in an implied crosswalk so slipping would suggests she's still in the crosswalk, fallen.
But how was the driver to know that, as others have implied? You don't see the pedestrian, you assume they're not in your space.
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Old 04-28-2014, 05:28 PM
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But how was the driver to know that, as others have implied? You don't see the pedestrian, you assume they're not in your space.
First, you're responding to something other than I wrote. I was only addressing whether the pedestrian was in the crosswalk, nothing more. Nothing more is implied.

I probably have done the same as the driver. I might have stopped to wonder where the pedestrian went, but it's easy to say that looking back. The story doesn't seem to be a particularly good strong example of driver (or pedestrian) negligence, just a sad story.
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