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Old 04-26-2014, 12:12 AM
 
Location: Philly, PA
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Im sure everyone or some is aware of the Northeastern Airspace as being the most congested. But my question and wonders is will the NE Airports be able to handle the capacity levels that are happening.

(JFK,LGA,EWR,PHL,BOS,BWI) ALL major airports in the Northeast.

Philly already wants to build a new terminal. Currently has 7 terminals. A-F but it looks like there is no space.
JFK- Wants another terminal...that will cost billions.
LGA-Was intended to be a lil charter type airport but now it even seems they are getting the gridlock from JFK,AND EWR.

EWR-WANTS A NEW TERMINAL

I think i read somewhere that the PANYNJ Wants to make Atlantic City Airport and Mercer County airports some type of more attraction for Int'l flights. I dont think that would work.....any feedback ?
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Old 04-28-2014, 01:59 PM
 
Location: Seattle, WA
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One of many reasons to build high speed rail in the Northeast part of the country. Like traffic lanes on the highway, eventually your airspace fills up, starting with peak hours, and is more prone to delays. And as we found out this past winter, one storm anywhere in the country can wreak havoc nationwide, but it would have to occur *right over* a HSR line to disrupt it.
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Old 04-28-2014, 04:25 PM
 
Location: The City
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https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/nas_...a/20120316.pdf

biggest issues are with JFK/EWR/LGD/PHL which share the same apparoach and departure space

BWI/Dulles/National have les airspace capacity issues

the airspace over NYC/Philly is the busiest in the world for approach and departures

in the US today 1/3rd of all delays are caused by NYC/Philly issues - many times ground delays all over the country

these airports account for 86% of all US airspace delays today
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Old 04-28-2014, 05:39 PM
 
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the airspace over NYC/Philly is the busiest in the world for approach and departures

in the US today 1/3rd of all delays are caused by NYC/Philly issues - many times ground delays all over the country

these airports account for 86% of all US airspace delays today

I know HSR (or even just sort-of-fast-rail) would be a big help but would investing in reliever airports also be helpful?

I'm thinking of places like Allentown, Harrisburg, Allaire, Mercer, Atlantic City, and New Castle . . . or is that just reshuffling the deck chairs?
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Old 04-28-2014, 05:47 PM
 
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I know HSR (or even just sort-of-fast-rail) would be a big help but would investing in reliever airports also be helpful?

I'm thinking of places like Allentown, Harrisburg, Allaire, Mercer, Atlantic City, and New Castle . . . or is that just reshuffling the deck chairs?
airspace capacity is an issue - they would share a lot of the approach/departure space

probably higher capacity aircraft would benefit but would limit connection location and diminish value - a tough spot based on proximity - need better technology to alleviate spacing, especially in bad weather - think is less plane technology and more air traffic control technology based on what I have read
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Old 04-29-2014, 02:18 AM
 
Location: Philly, PA
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I Loved that chart. It explains everything. Very insightful. I had no idea NY/PHL/EWR Airports is the cause for the rest of the delays. I knew it was congested but not like the chart is showing.
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Old 04-29-2014, 07:36 AM
 
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I was just looking at PHL's departures and stopped counting at 40 flights a day to places like Scranton, Baltimore, Albany, State College, DC, Hartford, Allentown, Newark, etc, etc.

EWR! Amtrak already goes direct to EWR in an hour or less!
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Old 04-29-2014, 09:44 PM
 
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I was just looking at PHL's departures and stopped counting at 40 flights a day to places like Scranton, Baltimore, Albany, State College, DC, Hartford, Allentown, Newark, etc, etc.

EWR! Amtrak already goes direct to EWR in an hour or less!
There's a few short-hop flights like that; they're artifacts of the hub system, not primary revenue routes.
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Old 04-29-2014, 10:13 PM
 
Location: North Baltimore ----> Seattle
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There's a few short-hop flights like that; they're artifacts of the hub system, not primary revenue routes.
And usually operated by contract airlines with little planes and little salaries
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Old 04-29-2014, 11:22 PM
 
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There's a few short-hop flights like that; they're artifacts of the hub system, not primary revenue routes.
I'm aware . . . but just at PHL there are over 80 take-offs and landings a day off these ridiculously short flights.

When you add in similar flights of less than 200 miles to/from JFK, LGA, EWR plus all the flights into Atlantic City, Islip, Allentown, etc you get hundreds of flights a day clogging the airspace.
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