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Old 06-20-2014, 07:22 AM
 
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You can go from store to store once you park. Walking back to your car doesn't add that much time-wise to shopping. I also enjoy strolling around downtown or a main street area, it's a more interesting place than a shopping center.
For people that are actually there to purchase things at the store it certainly can be a hassle. The merchants are interested in moving merchandise not really catering to people that are merely window-shopping.

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In any case, you're not really responding about anything in my post, or any examples discussed.
Of course I did. You discounted the previous poster's comments in your subsequent paragraph and made it clear you are talking about larger cities/towns. Larger cities introduce parking meters and parking is a hassle - and it becomes worse and worse as "density" is promoted - and then the density promoters don't seem to have a clue as to why people aren't interested in being forced to live in "dense" areas.
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Old 06-20-2014, 07:32 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA (Morningside)
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Of course I did. You discounted the previous poster's comments in your subsequent paragraph and made it clear you are talking about larger cities/towns. Larger cities introduce parking meters and parking is a hassle - and it becomes worse and worse as "density" is promoted - and then the density promoters don't seem to have a clue as to why people aren't interested in being forced to live in "dense" areas.
If people aren't interested in living in dense areas, why are they so expensive?
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Old 06-20-2014, 08:21 AM
 
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Because the term "people" is not universal. Some people aren't interested in living in dense areas. Some people are. The assumption that everyone has to live in the same sort of place is false, but people get very, very attached to the idea that (a) there is an ideal density at which everyone should live, and (b) other people think there is an ideal density at which everyone should live, and they're trying to make me live there. Both are fallacies.
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Old 06-20-2014, 11:22 AM
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Of course I did. You discounted the previous poster's comments in your subsequent paragraph and made it clear you are talking about larger cities/towns. Larger cities introduce parking meters and parking is a hassle - and it becomes worse and worse as "density" is promoted - and then the density promoters don't seem to have a clue as to why people aren't interested in being forced to live in "dense" areas.
I don't think I discounted anything. I did not make a statement for or against downtowns. In my post I noted that the downtowns of larger towns, unlike the smallest towns the OP mentioned, are more likely to be functional. (Your response does not address that idea, but something else, it really seems like you didn't read my post) Even though, as you said, parking is somewhat more difficult. Your response had little to do with those types of towns. Note the last example (Forest Hills) has the worst parking but has the most practical shops of all mentioned. How does that fit with your ideas?

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For people that are actually there to purchase things at the store it certainly can be a hassle. The merchants are interested in moving merchandise not really catering to people that are merely window-shopping.
As I said, I don't think it adds that much time-wise. You seem to focus on the convenience of parking over everythign else.
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Old 06-21-2014, 07:33 AM
 
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I don't think I discounted anything. I did not make a statement for or against downtowns. In my post I noted that the downtowns of larger towns, unlike the smallest towns the OP mentioned, are more likely to be functional. (Your response does not address that idea, but something else, it really seems like you didn't read my post) Even though, as you said, parking is somewhat more difficult. Your response had little to do with those types of towns. Note the last example (Forest Hills) has the worst parking but has the most practical shops of all mentioned. How does that fit with your ideas?
Who is shopping and for what? The shops were by and far women's clothing stores.
I did not see much practical there. Is there a grocery store on the street? A post office? Office supply? Hardware store? Kid's clothing? Bookstore? Appliance store? There are shops there but functional for who or what demographic?


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As I said, I don't think it adds that much time-wise. You seem to focus on the convenience of parking over everythign else.
Well good luck parking close to anything you might actually want to purchase something from. How many times do you need to drive around the block to find any parking at all? I saw a mostly "waste of time" street for daily or even weekly/monthly/occasional shopping.
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Old 06-21-2014, 08:12 PM
 
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Who is shopping and for what? The shops were by and far women's clothing stores.
I did not see much practical there.
Of course you don't see much practicality in women's clothing stores, you're not a woman.

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Well good luck parking close to anything you might actually want to purchase something from. How many times do you need to drive around the block to find any parking at all? I saw a mostly "waste of time" street for daily or even weekly/monthly/occasional shopping.
In a small town? Parking is easy. Small towns just have ther residents who need to park, they don't have people from the suburbs trying to find parking too because they have no suburbs.
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Old 06-21-2014, 10:23 PM
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In a small town? Parking is easy. Small towns just have ther residents who need to park, they don't have people from the suburbs trying to find parking too because they have no suburbs.
I actually grew up in a suburb of a somewhat small town (14,000 people). There definitely was a parking problem. Even the people who lived in town didn't all live close enough to walk to the downtown. Plus, the town was one of few in the area that actually had a full service downtown.
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Old 06-22-2014, 05:05 AM
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Who is shopping and for what? The shops were by and far women's clothing stores.
I did not see much practical there. Is there a grocery store on the street? A post office? Office supply? Hardware store? Kid's clothing? Bookstore? Appliance store? There are shops there but functional for who or what demographic?
Are you referring to Forest Hills? I think there's most of what you listed, I picked one streetview (I had to pick one) there's other shops nearby, don't feel checking at the moment.

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Well good luck parking close to anything you might actually want to purchase something from. How many times do you need to drive around the block to find any parking at all? I saw a mostly "waste of time" street for daily or even weekly/monthly/occasional shopping.
Many of the larger towns with downtowns have public lot or garages where one can park for small fee. In my experience, parking in those downtowns if you search and walk adds maybe 5 minutes, at most a bit more, sometimes less. It's not a huge time increase if you're staying a while. For a quick in and out, metered spots in front of stores are time restricted to encourage time availability.

If you saw a mostly "waste of time" street in the Forest Hills view, note you're looking at a place where most aren't arriving by car.
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Old 06-22-2014, 07:47 AM
 
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Of course you don't see much practicality in women's clothing stores, you're not a woman.

In a small town? Parking is easy. Small towns just have ther residents who need to park, they don't have people from the suburbs trying to find parking too because they have no suburbs.
Feel free to find the parking in the image submitted by nei (which was what I was asked to respond to). Small town or not, I didn't see much available street parking.

The reference to "suburbs" is city-centric. There are certainly going to be places outside the city limits such as housing subdivisions where people will travel to the nearest grocery store. Anything here would be avoided because of the lack of convenience and accessibility.
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Old 06-22-2014, 07:49 AM
 
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Are you referring to Forest Hills? I think there's most of what you listed, I picked one streetview (I had to pick one) there's other shops nearby, don't feel checking at the moment.



Many of the larger towns with downtowns have public lot or garages where one can park for small fee. In my experience, parking in those downtowns if you search and walk adds maybe 5 minutes, at most a bit more, sometimes less. It's not a huge time increase if you're staying a while. For a quick in and out, metered spots in front of stores are time restricted to encourage time availability.

If you saw a mostly "waste of time" street in the Forest Hills view, note you're looking at a place where most aren't arriving by car.
Virtually every parking spot along the streets was occupied along the main street you provided and cross streets. The "waste of time" was also with reference to the goods/services being sold.
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