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Old 05-13-2014, 07:36 AM
 
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Great idea, within a friendly climate. Many of those kids (in Ohio!!) will need rides to school because walking a mile when it is 15F/-9c is just stupid. It's stupid for adults, and twice as stupid for children. They certainly won't be riding their bikes at those temperatures. The wheels will slip on the ice and breathing hard will risk harming the lungs from the rapid cooling by the intake of the air.

Do this in California or Florida and it is a great idea. This marks the first time in recorded history that urbanlife and I have ever agreed on anything. Even if he wants it everywhere and I want it only in places where the climate is reasonable, this is still a first.
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Old 05-13-2014, 07:44 AM
 
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Great idea, within a friendly climate. Many of those kids (in Ohio!!) will need rides to school because walking a mile when it is 15F/-9c is just stupid. It's stupid for adults, and twice as stupid for children. They certainly won't be riding their bikes at those temperatures. The wheels will slip on the ice and breathing hard will risk harming the lungs from the rapid cooling by the intake of the air.

Do this in California or Florida and it is a great idea. This marks the first time in recorded history that urbanlife and I have ever agreed on anything. Even if he wants it everywhere and I want it only in places where the climate is reasonable, this is still a first.
What if it is too hot, which could actually be something to think about?
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Old 05-13-2014, 08:11 AM
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In the first place, this thread is about placement of schools. Now unless you're going to build a whole city from scratch, you have to have some city-school cooperation going on to accomplish this. In my community, developers are required to donate land for schools (in some cases give cash in lieu of) so a neighborhood school can be built when the need arises. In the case of family-style housing, that's usually pretty quickly. I have had the opportunity to watch my community grow from a town of 5000 in 1982 to almost 20,000 toady. I have an idea how this works.

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Old 05-13-2014, 08:31 AM
 
Location: Youngstown, Oh.
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Great idea, within a friendly climate. Many of those kids (in Ohio!!) will need rides to school because walking a mile when it is 15F/-9c is just stupid. It's stupid for adults, and twice as stupid for children. They certainly won't be riding their bikes at those temperatures. The wheels will slip on the ice and breathing hard will risk harming the lungs from the rapid cooling by the intake of the air.

Do this in California or Florida and it is a great idea. This marks the first time in recorded history that urbanlife and I have ever agreed on anything. Even if he wants it everywhere and I want it only in places where the climate is reasonable, this is still a first.
When is it Too Hot or Cold for Outside Play - Daycare.com

It usually only gets that cold for a couple weeks (not always consecutively) during the dead of winter, in NE Ohio. (the lake may help to moderate the temperature in Lakewood, so it may get that cold even less often, there)

I don't know about bike riding, but I prefer walking on snow when the temperature is <15, because the snow hasn't melted into icy slush, and I get better traction.

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Old 05-13-2014, 08:39 AM
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The childcare article talked about what to do during condition Green, Yellow and Red but did not give any specifics about temperatures. The other article is aimed at adults. Kids lose more heat than adults due to their differences in body mass.

Anecdotally, my friend and I will walk if it's above 15 degrees.
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Old 05-13-2014, 08:45 AM
 
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The childcare article talked about what to do during condition Green, Yellow and Red but did not give any specifics about temperatures. The other article is aimed at adults. Kids lose more heat than adults due to their differences in body mass.

Anecdotally, my friend and I will walk if it's above 15 degrees.
Scroll to the bottom of the childcare article, there is a graph.

I didn't intend to post the second article, and have edited it out.
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Old 05-13-2014, 09:31 AM
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So anywhere from 20-40 degrees F is the lower cut-off for outdoor play, depending on wind speed, and <30 degrees is a caution in any wind speed, meaning outdoor playtime should be shortened. Keep in mind that a two mile walk, as discussed in the OP article, could take an hour for an elementary school kid.
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Old 05-13-2014, 10:44 AM
 
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So anywhere from 20-40 degrees F is the lower cut-off for outdoor play, depending on wind speed, and <30 degrees is a caution in any wind speed, meaning outdoor playtime should be shortened. Keep in mind that a two mile walk, as discussed in the OP article, could take an hour for an elementary school kid.
And, conversely, the same caution should be taken whenever the temp exceeds 90.
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Old 05-13-2014, 10:56 AM
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Great idea, within a friendly climate. Many of those kids (in Ohio!!) will need rides to school because walking a mile when it is 15F/-9c is just stupid. It's stupid for adults, and twice as stupid for children. They certainly won't be riding their bikes at those temperatures. The wheels will slip on the ice and breathing hard will risk harming the lungs from the rapid cooling by the intake of the air.
At least for adults, it's certainly uncomfortable. It's neither stupid nor dangerous if dressed well. If the roads are clear, biking short distances at 15F aren't that bad. I've done so occasionally.
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Old 05-13-2014, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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At least for adults, it's certainly uncomfortable. It's neither stupid nor dangerous if dressed well. If the roads are clear, biking short distances at 15F aren't that bad. I've done so occasionally.
You know what I find amazing? That biking and walking to work in Alaska is really really high! Alaska has one of the highest rates of active transportation to work. And isn't the weather horrible?
Local Climate Doesn’t Exert Much Influence on Biking and Walking | Streetsblog USA
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