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Old 05-20-2014, 05:39 PM
 
Location: North Baltimore ----> Seattle
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What is the basis of the idea that Seattle is more walkable than Vancouver? If you use Pike Place Market as your starting point, just walking to other neighbourhoods (even a a place kinda close like Capitol Hill) and/or attractions (the two stadiums or Space Needle) is a real PITA.
While Seattle doesn't win on an abundance of very high-density linear walkability radiating from the core, it does have some really excellent pedestrian planning, even in areas you wouldn't expect. I've never lived anywhere that I felt safer as a pedestrian.
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Old 05-20-2014, 06:03 PM
 
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Sorry but this is just bunk. I live in a beautiful suburb in Washington state with a great walkable downtown. I grew up in Oakville, Ontario which is also a beautiful town but outside of the older sections it's now suburban wasteland that go on for hours. I actually find it funny that you linked to Mississauga because only some sections of it look the way you posted, a lot of Mississauga is huge McMansions crowded right next to each other on busy roads.
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Old 05-20-2014, 06:44 PM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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"Many places in the United States were built without sidewalks, particularly suburban areas in the decades following the Second World War."

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Anyway, I think his point is that there are more suburbs in the US that are less pedestrian friendly.

Here's a city data thread about one place in the US…how common is it? All I can say from the places I've been most have sidewalks….some don't. Friends who have travelled to Kanas City, can't remember if it was Kanas or Missouri, but mentioned the lack of sidewalks outside of town.

Sidewalks in Pittsburgh suburbs
I know you are new to the Urban Planning forum, but we have discussed this issue many times over. You could do a search for old threads/posts about "sidewalks".

Virtually ALL the suburbs in Denver have sidewalks. Many suburban cities have code which requires same. You will find same throughout the western US at least in large urban areas. Most of the suburbs of Chicago have sidewalks, IME, ditto Omaha.
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Old 05-20-2014, 06:52 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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I know you are new to the Urban Planning forum, but we have discussed this issue many times over. You could do a search for old threads/posts about "sidewalks".

Virtually ALL the suburbs in Denver have sidewalks. Many suburban cities have code which requires same. You will find same throughout the western US at least in large urban areas. Most of the suburbs of Chicago have sidewalks, IME, ditto Omaha.
Appreciate the feedback, but it wasn't me that brought up sidewalks in this thread, that would be demonta4 in post #25.
Also I'd like to know why talking about sidewalks in a thread about walkability seems out of place to you?
The subject is about Canadian and US cities….and having sidewalks or NOT having sidewalks logically is going to be part of that conversation, especially when one poster is bringing the possibility that lack of sidewalks may be more common in US suburbs, than Canadian ones. If you read my post, I gave my experience which disagrees with denonta4 "All I can say from the places I've been most have sidewalks….some don't." I also gave a link to a thread on Citydata discussing sidewalks, so asking me to do search makes me believe you skimmed my post and didn't actually read it.
So you don't have to educate me on suburbs that have sidewalks in the U.S.

P.S. I'm not new to the urban planning forum. I just don't post here very often.

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Old 05-20-2014, 06:55 PM
 
Location: Murrieta California
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That's not the case in Chicago. They have a beautiful lake front with lots of green space, parks, beaches, and very walkable pedestrian friendly.
San Diego also has a very nice downtown waterfront with parks that go for several miles.
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Old 05-20-2014, 07:20 PM
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Appreciate the feedback, but it wasn't me that brought up sidewalks in this thread, that would be demonta4 in post #25.
Also I'd like to know why talking about sidewalks in a thread about walkability seems out of place to you?
The subject is about Canadian and US cities….and having sidewalks or NOT having sidewalks logically is going to be part of that conversation, especially when one poster is bringing the possibility that lack of sidewalks may be more common in US suburbs, than Canadian ones. If you read my post, I gave my experience which disagrees with denonta4 "All I can say from the places I've been most have sidewalks….some don't." I also gave a link to a thread on Citydata discussing sidewalks, so asking me to do search makes me believe you skimmed my post and didn't actually read it.
So you don't have to educate me on suburbs that have sidewalks in the U.S.

P.S. I'm not new to the urban planning forum. I just don't post here very often.
Well, you are the one whose post I quoted and who posted a link. I'm just saying, another sidewalk thread feels like Groundhog Day! I did read your entire post. Happy now?

Sorry I didn't respond about that thread from the Pittsburgh forum. Being from Pittsburgh, it is true that there aren't many sidewalks in the burbs there.

I don't recall you posting here before. My apologies!
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Old 05-20-2014, 07:28 PM
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Location: Long Island / NYC
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If we're bringing up Vancouver, some Vancouver suburbs don't have sidewalks. On smaller residential streets.

https://www.google.com/maps/@49.1460...DdxT4toI7A!2e0

Still, I don't think it's a reasonable conclusion that overall Vancouver is less walkable than a typical American city, even Seattle.
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Old 05-20-2014, 07:31 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Well, you are the one whose post I quoted and who posted a link. I'm just saying, another sidewalk thread feels like Groundhog Day! I did read your entire post. Happy now?[COLOR="Red"][/color]

Sorry I didn't respond about that thread from the Pittsburgh forum. Being from Pittsburgh, it is true that there aren't many sidewalks in the burbs there.

I don't recall you posting here before. My apologies!
Thrilled.

It may feel like Groundhog Day, but it's up to the moderator, to inform us that we can't talk about sidewalks in a thread about walking in cities.
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Old 05-20-2014, 07:41 PM
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^^It's also up to the mod to chew out other posters.

I must say your link did not show any proof of its thesis statement, e.g., "Many places in the United States were built without sidewalks, particularly suburban areas in the decades following the Second World War." We are supposed to believe this like the Bible.
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Old 05-20-2014, 07:55 PM
 
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Good point. I like to use Vancouver B.C. versus Seattle in terms of their waterfronts as my example.

My girl always wondered why Vancouver B.C. has a downtown waterfront full of grassy parks whereas Seattle's waterfront has a bunch of cruise ship ports, railroad tracks, and industry. I explained that in Vancouver, having a more "livable" waterfront was the top priority as opposed to American cities like Seattle where making money is the top priority. The cruise ports and industry generates millions of dollars for Seattle so by American standards that takes priority over making the waterfront a pretty little park for grandmas to go jogging on. Seattle is redesigning its waterfront to make it more green and pedestrian friendly, yet still it will in no way interfere with the waterfront ports and industry because that's where the money is.
Vancouver's downtown waterfront used to be filled with industry and railyards too. Take a look at old aerials.

Vancouver decided to do away with all of that crap though cuz it's unattractive and does nothing to make the waterfront pleasant to walk through. You can have all that industry on your waterfront, but it doesn't have to be downtown. In Vancouver's case they moved it to the east side of the city. That kind of ugly crap has no place in a 21st century downtown anyways.

It's too bad Seattle doesn't want to move it's waterfront industry away from downtown. Move it all down to Tacoma or something.
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