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Old 08-23-2014, 03:22 PM
 
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Pre-streetcars, most people walked. Having a short distance was more important not less. The shortest distance between points is a diagonal, a grid can be longer. Copenhagen doesn't really have extra curves

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Co...dd7edde69467b8

another street I found in the center of Copenhagen. Obviously side streets are narrower.



Most of Copenhagen grew after 1840 as I said, it wasn't much different in size from Baltimore or Boston.
What jobs were people walking to in Copenhagen? In Boston, Chicago, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, even New York they would have been going to heavy or light manufacturing. Chicago to the packing plants.

 
Old 08-23-2014, 03:59 PM
 
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What jobs were people walking to in Copenhagen? In Boston, Chicago, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, even New York they would have been going to heavy or light manufacturing. Chicago to the packing plants.
A short history of Copenhagen, The Danish Capital

History of Copenhagen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



From the looks of it: was an city constrained by military works, built over it, absorbed three other towns that probably were just as old, does not have an rapid transit system until 2002. It is circles by water(canals) and so on. Things that do not lend themselves well to either the automobile or the street car. It is also a little behind the times in some respects such as the first sky scrapper was built in 1956. VERY different place than late 19th and early 20th Century Chicago, Boston or New York.
 
Old 08-23-2014, 04:01 PM
 
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A short history of Copenhagen, The Danish Capital

History of Copenhagen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



From the looks of it: was an city constrained by military works, built over it, absorbed three other towns that probably were just as old, does not have an rapid transit system until 2002. It is circles by water(canals) and so on. Things that do not lend themselves well to either the automobile or the street car. It is also a little behind the times in some respects such as the first sky scrapper was built in 1956. VERY different place than late 19th and early 20th Century Chicago, Boston or New York.
Thank you. I already knew that. Just proves that it's not a good comparable.
 
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A short history of Copenhagen, The Danish Capital

History of Copenhagen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

From the looks of it: was an city constrained by military works, built over it, absorbed three other towns that probably were just as old, does not have an rapid transit system until 2002. It is circles by water(canals) and so on. Things that do not lend themselves well to either the automobile or the street car. It is also a little behind the times in some respects such as the first sky scrapper was built in 1956. VERY different place than late 19th and early 20th Century Chicago, Boston or New York.
Copenhagen has had a regional rail system since the mid 1930s that's considered commuter rail but with some rapid transit characteristics. Wide stop spacing, every 2 km, wider in the suburbs and closer together in the city center. 20 minute frequencies on each line with 10 minutes much of the day (practically more, since lines often run together). San Francisco's BART is somewhat similar. Short trips in the inner part of the city would have to be by bus or streetcar until the metro was built. Copenhagen had a streetcar system which was dismantled by 1972, I don't know how comprehensive it was but the city appears to have enough wide streets for good coverage. The per capita rail ridership (metro-wide) appears to be similar to larger Canadian cities, and the suburbs don't appear to be any denser than Canadian suburbs of the same cities.

Skyscrapers are much less common in European cities in general, they're often blocked by zoning or historic preservation laws. Washington DC is skyscraper less for similar reason. And its skyscraper-district in an adjacent suburb (Arlington) is also a common European pattern.

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What jobs were people walking to in Copenhagen? In Boston, Chicago, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, even New Yorkthey would have been going to heavy or light manufacturing. Chicago to the packing plants.
No idea, though the article described Copenhagen as a "thirving industrial city" in the early 20th century. And for the bolded, why does New York City have an even?
 
Old 08-24-2014, 03:52 AM
 
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Copenhagen has had a regional rail system since the mid 1930s that's considered commuter rail but with some rapid transit characteristics. Wide stop spacing, every 2 km, wider in the suburbs and closer together in the city center. 20 minute frequencies on each line with 10 minutes much of the day (practically more, since lines often run together). San Francisco's BART is somewhat similar. Short trips in the inner part of the city would have to be by bus or streetcar until the metro was built. Copenhagen had a streetcar system which was dismantled by 1972, I don't know how comprehensive it was but the city appears to have enough wide streets for good coverage. The per capita rail ridership (metro-wide) appears to be similar to larger Canadian cities, and the suburbs don't appear to be any denser than Canadian suburbs of the same cities.

Skyscrapers are much less common in European cities in general, they're often blocked by zoning or historic preservation laws. Washington DC is skyscraper less for similar reason. And its skyscraper-district in an adjacent suburb (Arlington) is also a common European pattern.



No idea, though the article described Copenhagen as a "thirving industrial city" in the early 20th century. And for the bolded, why does New York City have an even?
Because most people don't know that New York was a manufacturing center.
 
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But remember that all government funds come from taxpayers. Some all from general fund but not roadways federal or state wise. So if he paid state and federal taxes he paid more than estimated. Many service come entirely from state;local and federal general funds.
 
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This argument was so poorly designed it never should have reached this many pages.
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