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Old 07-22-2014, 01:34 PM
 
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San Antonio and Phoenix are almost half Detroit's density but have as much street infrastructure per capita.
I'd just like to point out that San Antonio and Phoenix (examples, there are plenty of others) as 'cities' are much younger than Detroit, so they haven't had to pay the full costs of their infrastructure yet. Maybe they can pawn off some of the costs that Detroit has faced as they don't have the union workforces with pensions (they have 401ks) instead, but in my opinion they are going to be hit really hard on infrastructure costs when it comes time to pay for streets and plumbing again. When you add a new crop of workers supporting that infrastructure while also having to support retired workers, it's going to suck to live in those places.
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Old 07-27-2014, 05:10 PM
 
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Detroit is obvious: the decline of employment in the auto industry. Compounded slightly by Motown moving to LA. Stockton by the housing bubble. While it was a cheaper alternative to Silicon Valley, it got overbuilt. Besides only three trains to San Jose each rush hour. I don't think LA has gone so far downhill.
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Old 07-27-2014, 06:40 PM
 
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I'd just like to point out that San Antonio and Phoenix (examples, there are plenty of others) as 'cities' are much younger than Detroit, so they haven't had to pay the full costs of their infrastructure yet. Maybe they can pawn off some of the costs that Detroit has faced as they don't have the union workforces with pensions (they have 401ks) instead, but in my opinion they are going to be hit really hard on infrastructure costs when it comes time to pay for streets and plumbing again. When you add a new crop of workers supporting that infrastructure while also having to support retired workers, it's going to suck to live in those places.
This is totally true. It's easy to have a budget in the black when you're growing. As soon as the growth stops, all of these sprawled-out cities are going to have a very rough time staying together, especially considering how much land (and thus roads) these cities have annexed. They might have to shed some land if they ever find themselves in decline.
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Old 07-30-2014, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Vallejo
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Sounds a little racist to me. Why do you care about the racial makeup of "downtown"? Since when does the population live "downtown" to begin with? Maybe people don't want to live like transit dependent hamsters.
Well, with Stockton's downtown (central area) actually is much whiter than Stockton as a whole. Also, they're pretty much all transit dependent by definition. Median household income is below $10,000. I always find the contrast between Modesto and Stockton's downtown interesting. Modesto actually has a pretty vibrant downtown. On the other hand, then there is Fresno where they just built a new downtown and gave up on the old one.
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