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Old 12-19-2011, 03:52 PM
 
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I was reading a article about how if Americans continue their present lifestyle then 1/3 will be diabetic by 2050. It got me to thinking about how much the landscape of a cities plays into the public health. Cities that are denser and more pedestrian friendly allow for its citizens to be more active, while ones that are more sprawled out discourage its citizens from being active. With this in mind it would seem that reducing sprawl should not be just an enviornmental or economic issue, but also a public health issue. Thoughts?
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Old 12-19-2011, 04:26 PM
 
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I was reading a article about how if Americans continue their present lifestyle then 1/3 will be diabetic by 2050. It got me to thinking about how much the landscape of a cities plays into the public health. Cities that are denser and more pedestrian friendly allow for its citiz ens to be more active, while ones that are more sprawled out discourage its citizens from being active. With this in mind it would seem that reducing sprawl should not be just an enviornmental or economic issue, but also a public health issue. Thoughts?
That is not true. Think logically for a second. Cities are FILLED with cars and buses and all types of congested automobiles. Major cities are always the ones with high levels of toxic fumes and pollution in the air. What makes you think most of them are pedestrian friendly and good for your health? I know for a fact most of the sprawled suburban communities are MORE pedestrian friendly than cities because I've lived in them and they are FILLED with sidewalks and trails and parks EVERYWHERE. And plenty of people go running and jogging and getting their exercise on. With clean air to breathe.
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Old 12-19-2011, 05:47 PM
 
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Agreed, it's not true. This has come up before on CD. The highest rates of obesity are in the inner cities. I believe I have posted links about this in the past.
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Old 12-19-2011, 07:09 PM
 
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I was reading a article about how if Americans continue their present lifestyle then 1/3 will be diabetic by 2050. It got me to thinking about how much the landscape of a cities plays into the public health. Cities that are denser and more pedestrian friendly allow for its citizens to be more active, while ones that are more sprawled out discourage its citizens from being active. With this in mind it would seem that reducing sprawl should not be just an enviornmental or economic issue, but also a public health issue. Thoughts?
I think there is some truth to that, but not much. Wealth is a much clearer predictor of health. Yes higher density and low car ownership means more walking but in my city, where obesity, heart disease, diabetes and HIV are remarkably prevalent, walking doesn't seem to make a dent in the problem.
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Old 12-19-2011, 07:15 PM
 
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Maybe it would be useful to examine if wealthy cities are healthier than suburbs of comparable wealth? The problem with this comparison is that crushing poverty, and its related health problems, is not as prevalent in suburbs as in inner cities and rural areas.
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Old 12-19-2011, 07:40 PM
 
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The obesity rates in inner city ghettos have little to do with development and everything to do with poverty when looking at truely urban, walkable cities.

Most urbanites get their recomended minimum daily exercise simply by living. By comparison most suburbanites spend their time at single locations, driving between them. From bed, to car seat, to office chair, to car seat, to couch, to bed.
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Old 12-19-2011, 08:03 PM
 
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The obesity rates in inner city ghettos have little to do with development and everything to do with poverty when looking at truely urban, walkable cities.

Most urbanites get their recomended minimum daily exercise simply by living. By comparison most suburbanites spend their time at single locations, driving between them. From bed, to car seat, to office chair, to car seat, to couch, to bed.
Not this tired old canard again!

What does the urban guy do? Please describe.
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Old 12-19-2011, 08:10 PM
 
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That is not true.
Uh, yes it is.


A typical street in the big city looks like this, filled with people walking around:





While a typical street in the suburbs looks like this:

Do you see anybody walking around?
No, because they are all inside their homes watching tv or playing video games.


http://www.****/suburban-s...umb8749884.jpg

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Old 12-19-2011, 08:31 PM
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Maybe it would be useful to examine if wealthy cities are healthier than suburbs of comparable wealth? The problem with this comparison is that crushing poverty, and its related health problems, is not as prevalent in suburbs as in inner cities and rural areas.
I remember finding a study that did just that and posted it a while back. I could dig it up, but it'd take a bit of work. I think it found cities slightly healthier once you controlled for demographics, but the difference was small, and other factors could overwhelm it easily.
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Old 12-19-2011, 08:34 PM
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@cisco kid

Not even midtown Manhattan is typically that full of people, except maybe in a few spots around rush hour. In that photo, there are so many people there it would be hard to walk at a good speed. You can see people overflowing onto the road because the sidewalk isn't big enough.


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What does the urban guy do? Please describe.
Walk more instead of drive everywhere for transportation. At least that's the idea.
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