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Old 08-15-2014, 11:57 PM
 
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Newer models can have lower floors, but I don't think its possible for buses to have level boarding which would require some incredible precision driving skills.
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Early in the process, RTC Southern Nevada identified multiple-entry level boarding as a critical operational design element due to the high passenger volumes carried along this route. The Civis vehicle was chosen in part because of its large carrying capacity and the optical guidance system (OGS) feature, which allows for automated precision docking at station platforms for level boarding at multiple entry points.
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Old 08-17-2014, 10:19 PM
 
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Yeah, not sure why subways and some light rail systems seem to cost like ten times more in the US than anywhere else. Though quality is so much worse. Subway stations in Paris and other cities in Europe look like an art gallery, while a typical subway station in NY or Chicago looks like someone just dug a big hole in the ground and pour raw concrete into it, with just bare concrete floor and walls don't even bother to paint it. Looks more like a sewer than a proper train station. Big city corruption? Kickbacks? May have something to do with it.
Nope, that's what they're supposed to look like. The London Underground isn't all that attractive either. The U-bahn wasn't, but apparently they've improved it.

In NYC, the PATH stations (aside from the temporary WTC station) have more attention paid to aesthetics than the MTA subway stations. Tile floors, arches, detail on the columns, etc.
Compare:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Street_(PATH_station)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_St...rk_City_Subway)
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Old 08-20-2014, 02:50 AM
 
Location: Fairfax County, VA
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How is it that countries such as Spain, Turkey, India, Italy and China can plan and build them like clockwork, but it takes the US decades?
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Old 08-20-2014, 05:00 AM
 
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Nope, that's what they're supposed to look like. The London Underground isn't all that attractive either. The U-bahn wasn't, but apparently they've improved it.

In NYC, the PATH stations (aside from the temporary WTC station) have more attention paid to aesthetics than the MTA subway stations. Tile floors, arches, detail on the columns, etc.
Compare:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Street_(PATH_station)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_St...rk_City_Subway)
It's supposed to look like a sewer? In that case mission accomplished. Not only looks like a sewer but smells like one. Maybe that's supposed to be part of its charm? The gritty, grimy, dystopian aesthetic. To me it's just disgusting. I don't know how you can compare it to the London system. The London Tube is like a limousine or Mercedes, compared to the NY subway which to me looks like its ready for the junkyard. New Yorkers are even known to picket city hall to get the subways cleaned up, it's that bad. They have a giant protest sign that says "New Yorkers Deserve A Rat-Free Subway." lol


MTA budget and staffing cutbacks have caused the rat population to explode in the subway system,
transit workers charged Tuesday - NY Daily News
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Old 08-23-2014, 05:26 PM
 
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It's supposed to look like a sewer?
Naa, the sewers are darker and made of brick rather than concrete.

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The London Tube is like a limousine or Mercedes, compared to the NY subway which to me looks like its ready for the junkyard.
The London system is pretty big, the parts I've been in had narrow passages of bare concrete and were not particularly attractive.
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Old 08-23-2014, 05:34 PM
 
Location: The City
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Yeah the Picadilly line isnt exactly roses - packed with people though
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Old 08-24-2014, 04:14 PM
 
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I've noticed that the best subway systems in the US tend to be the ugliest looking.
The LA metro is a pretty nice looking system that seems to work well. Consisting of various surface rail, commuter and subway lines. Very functional system, and is not an eyesore (unlike the NY and Chicago subways). Though at 90 miles is small in proportion to the LA metro area, so not many people will get to use it on a regular basis. It could be expanded more (in comparison the NY subway is 850 miles). But aesthetically, is on the right track.

The trains and stations are pleasing to look at. Which is not a bad thing for the LA area which is known for its endless miles of unsightly, soul-crushing freeway and big box autosprawl. And believe me LA needs all the help it can get in that regard. Anything to help beautify it is a good thing . A number of stations in the system feature a unique, you might even say artistic design themes. Public and civic art in an American city? Almost unheard of anymore, and something which seems to be sorely lacking in NA cities. All function and no form, makes Jack a very dull (and ugly) boy.







Mariachi Plaza







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Old 08-24-2014, 04:19 PM
 
Location: The City
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That subway picture is pretty cool

Philly has some pretty drab stations, functional but appear like a hundred years old - of maybe they are in some cases
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Old 08-24-2014, 07:22 PM
 
Location: Vineland, NJ
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That subway picture is pretty cool

Philly has some pretty drab stations, functional but appear like a hundred years old - of maybe they are in some cases
The sooner SEPTA can renovate city hall station, the better.


PlanPhilly | SEPTA to improve user experience in Center City’s underground concourses
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Old 08-24-2014, 08:08 PM
 
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It's supposed to look like a sewer? In that case mission accomplished. Not only looks like a sewer but smells like one. Maybe that's supposed to be part of its charm? The gritty, grimy, dystopian aesthetic. To me it's just disgusting. I don't know how you can compare it to the London system. The London Tube is like a limousine or Mercedes, compared to the NY subway which to me looks like its ready for the junkyard. New Yorkers are even known to picket city hall to get the subways cleaned up, it's that bad. They have a giant protest sign that says "New Yorkers Deserve A Rat-Free Subway." lol


MTA budget and staffing cutbacks have caused the rat population to explode in the subway system,
transit workers charged Tuesday - NY Daily News
The poster was talking about the PATH Trains (separate system run by the Port Authority), not the NYC Subway.
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