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Well we were discussing the Super Bowl at Giants Stadium, so I'm not sure what downtown has to do with it. But for every Bronco game (just as an example) the biggest traffic jams are entering and exiting the on site parking lots.
Well, the thread was about comparing downtown stadium locations with out of the city locations, so that's why I mentioned those.
The difference is, a ballet studio uses a lot less land than a football stadium. If you are looking at this from an economic standpoint, you have to factor in the opportunity costs of taking up the land with a football stadium.
To this point, no one has given an example of a football stadium integrated into a downtown. The most brought up example continues to be Denver and New Orleans. Those are not good examples.
EDIT: I see this has been brought up, and refuted using nothing resembling logic. Carry on folks. Nothing to see here.
Just curious, would you have considered the RCA Dome as part of downtown Indianapolis?
Just curious, would you have considered the RCA Dome as part of downtown Indianapolis?
Of course. So too would Lucas Oil Stadium.
Were the grounds of Lucas Oil Stadium a vibrant part of downtown when the dome was around?
My point is this.........NFL stadiums create a sort of dead zone. If they were integrated with their downtown, there would not be a dead zone. Even Indianapolis, a city that many point to as having an integrated downtown stadium has dead zones.
McCarty Street, West Street, Kentucky Ave, Missouri Street, Kenwood Ave, and even South Street look like something you would not expect to see a stone's throw from Lucas Oil Stadium and the core of downtown Indianapolis. I would like to see one example of an NFL stadium that does not have some kind of dead zone around it and contributes to a downtown every day without cutting an area off.
I always felt Baseball should be downtown and Football should be outside the city. I'm just basing this off my experience with Boston's stadiums. The area around Fenway is great, there are a lot of sports bars and restaurants and it's generally a fun area to be in on game day. Then there's Gillette Stadium in Foxboro which is an hour away from the city, but the setting is more suited for football, there's tons of big parking lots around the area for tailgating and such.
Maybe not right downtown but certainly close. As a practical matter many suburbs don't want them close to residential areas, and almost none want to finance them. Besides, you have the issue of it being too far for some fans, unless they are concentrated one side of the city.
Maybe not right downtown but certainly close. As a practical matter many suburbs don't want them close to residential areas, and almost none want to finance them. Besides, you have the issue of it being too far for some fans, unless they are concentrated one side of the city.
Not just suburbs, but city neighborhoods. Park Slope made a big fuss made over the Barclays Center (sport stadium for basketball & hockey and concert arena). Fears were increased noise and rowdy concertgoers in the neighborhood, increased traffic, and using up on-street parking (the neighborhood has very little off street parking). Turned out most visitors (70% ?) came by transit and existing garages accommodated many of the drivers. The crime and traffic worries were mostly baseless:
Maybe not right downtown but certainly close. As a practical matter many suburbs don't want them close to residential areas, and almost none want to finance them. Besides, you have the issue of it being too far for some fans, unless they are concentrated one side of the city.
Ours are financed through stadium districts: About-Us (Baseball) The District currently includes all or part of the seven counties in the Denver metropolitan area.
I always felt Baseball should be downtown and Football should be outside the city. I'm just basing this off my experience with Boston's stadiums. The area around Fenway is great, there are a lot of sports bars and restaurants and it's generally a fun area to be in on game day. Then there's Gillette Stadium in Foxboro which is an hour away from the city, but the setting is more suited for football, there's tons of big parking lots around the area for tailgating and such.
Gillette is way too far from Boston IMO. The stadium shouldn't be more than a 30 minute drive from the city.
Gillette is way too far from Boston IMO. The stadium shouldn't be more than a 30 minute drive from the city.
The Patriot's stadium is somewhat unique in that it is not the "Boston" Patriots, but the "New England" Patriots, so a more central location makes sense.
Gillette is way too far from Boston IMO. The stadium shouldn't be more than a 30 minute drive from the city.
I completely agree
Edit: Actually just looked it up and its only a little over a half hour to get there. But on gameday its more likely an hour/hour and a half
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