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Old 08-20-2014, 07:10 AM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Well what so you think gets more use, a football stadium or an arena? This is an easy answer. You don't even have to do much research beyond looking at each one's event calendar to get the answer.
And what, pray tell, does that have to do with their locations? PLEASE ELABORATE on this, because I am totally confused as to why this should matter.
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Old 08-20-2014, 07:19 AM
 
Location: The City
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And what, pray tell, does that have to do with their locations? PLEASE ELABORATE on this, because I am totally confused as to why this should matter.
centrality and usage level (as well as type of use) would seem to play a large role in site selection, no?
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Old 08-20-2014, 07:35 AM
 
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Well personally, I live in Pittsburgh, and both of the stadiums are downtown. I've been to many stadiums that are on the outskirts also. Don't underestimate the economic impact to the local bars and restaurants of those 8 home games, 2 preseason games, post season games, college games, etc, and a multitude of concerts, of the downtown stadium. The banquet halls are also constantly booked in them for events. The experience is much better too with much more to do other than sit in a parking lot and tailgate. Just my opinion......

The only negative is when there are two games going on the same day... but that doesn't happen much.
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Old 08-20-2014, 07:40 AM
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Location: Fort Worth
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I'll only say this:

If a football stadium is a one trick pony (it just has an NFL or College Football team playing in it 6-8 times out of the year) then no, it doesn't really need to be closer to the center of the city.

If it's a stadium that hosts several events all through the year, then yes.
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Old 08-20-2014, 07:58 AM
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centrality and usage level (as well as type of use) would seem to play a large role in site selection, no?
Why? Please explain. Strangely, no one has posted one link from some "urbanist" blog about this. This is just all opinion of CD posters, few, if any of whom, have any urban planning experience.
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Old 08-20-2014, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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And what, pray tell, does that have to do with their locations? PLEASE ELABORATE on this, because I am totally confused as to why this should matter.
Nothing, both could sit out in suburban areas surrounded in parking lots of in the center of an urban area. Though if one was going to pick which one to put in an urban area, it would be the arena because it is more versatile than a football stadium that isn't a dome and can be used for much more events and have a much higher level of surrounding activity.
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Old 08-20-2014, 10:32 AM
 
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Why? Please explain. Strangely, no one has posted one link from some "urbanist" blog about this. This is just all opinion of CD posters, few, if any of whom, have any urban planning experience.
Value of land - ease of access, amount of usage etc.

Land values differ from DT to DT - placing a football stadium in DT Boston, or SF, or NYC or even Philadelphia would be a huge and expensive undertaking and likely not warrant the investment relative to return and would likely decrease vibrancy to boot

Circumstances are different for every place but access, usage and impacts to the area effect where they are located. Are you suggesting otherwise?

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Having a crush of 75K people entering and leaving a place is not a simple task always, even baseball stadiums are generally 50-60% this capacity - let alone arenas at 20-30%
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Old 08-20-2014, 10:42 AM
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Value of land - ease of access, amount of usage etc.

Land values differ from DT to DT - placing a football stadium in DT Boston, or SF, or NYC or even Philadelphia would be a huge and expensive undertaking and likely not warrant the investment relative to return and would likely decrease vibrancy to boot

Circumstances are different for every place but access, usage and impacts to the area effect where they are located. Are you suggesting otherwise?

Event Calendar

Calendar - Pepsi Center

Having a crush of 75K people entering and leaving a place is not a simple task always, even baseball stadiums are generally 50-60% this capacity - let alone arenas at 20-30%
I'm not "suggesting" anything. I'd like an explanation. You gave the first one on this whole thread, in 76 posts.

Don't know what your links are supposed to prove! Many events at both places are private, eg, homecomings, proms, other private parties, so they won't show up on an calendar of events open to the public.
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Old 08-20-2014, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Denver CO
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1. What does that have to do with whether it's located downtown or on the periphery?

2. It has been shown over, and over, and over AGAIN that football stadiums are used for more than football!
Mile High being used for private events is not even remotely comparable to the foot traffic around Coors Field during a home game. I've been to some of those events and people come and go by car, parking in the VIP parking lot which is enough to hold all the cars for the attendees. People are there for the specific event and are not walking around, patronizing local bars and restaurants.

And since a big part of the football experience is tailgating, you need a large amount of on-site parking, directly connected to the stadium. Taking up that amount of space in a central business district for parking lots that would go unused the vast majority of time - EVEN when there are private events being held at Mile High - would be a foolish use of prime downtown real estate.
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Old 08-20-2014, 11:33 AM
 
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To say Denver "did it right" with regards to the building of Sports Authority Field would be a little disingenuous.

There has been a stadium in use at that location continuously since 1948. The original stadium was built and expanded several times before it was demolished in 2001.

Prior to 1999, the area was used much more often than it is now as the original Mile High Stadium was a multipurpose stadium that was home to the Broncos and Denver's minor league baseball team (Bears/Zephyrs). Additionally, the stadium shared a parking lot with McNichols Arena which was home to the Denver Nuggets and several different of hockey teams.

Prior to 1995, all three NFL, NBA & MLB shared the same site and parking, both baseball and football shared the original Mile High Stadium. Because both facilities were dated and needed either replacement or MAJOR renovation. Wisely, it was decided to move both baseball & basketball (and hockey) closer to downtown and leave football at the existing location. The opening of Coors Field in LoDo (lower downtown) is often cited as the key event in the turnaround of LoDo and the larger downtown area.

It was a logical decision, baseball & basketball are both a smaller facility and a smaller over all footprint even including parking. Also baseball and basketball are more likely to draw downtown workers that either take an afternoon off or stay for an evening game. As already noted basketball is 80 home games, basketball is 40 and football is 8+/- AND a basketball arena is the one most likely to be used for other events. With very few exceptions, when the football stadium is used for other events, it is a very small part of the stadium that is used. When the basketball arena is used for non basketball/hockey purposes, typically the whole arena is used.

In the early 1990s when the replacement of both facilities was being discussed, there was a big push by several suburbs with cheaper land and bigger spaces to move out of downtown. Luckily city leaders choose to keep all three downtown. It should be noted that the locations of all three facilities played into the location of RTD's new light rail plans that also came online about the same time.

Sports fan or not, anyone that has been in Denver the last quarter century can see the positive pay off of good urban planning.
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